There is some great info on here for sure besides just recipes , I find more every day! I also edited my post and added another link that talks about the dangers of the Diacetyl free flavors.
Another good point and that also is on the flavoring list if it is known.
That is the bigger issue IMO , we don’t know all the ingredients from some of the makers.
IMO FA , Real Flavors and Flavorah are very open about the nasties their flavorings contain other companies not so much.
It seems that flavor makers will NEED to remove all those nasties in the near future.
Capella have already rolled out v2’s of most of their affected concentrates.
Just remember that if it isnt oxygen its not good for your lungs but vaping is better than smoking ciggys.
In the time i have been vaping i have not experienced any ill effects in regards to breathing, ive just seen my breathing get better and better, i can actually run now!
That’s weird man I was going to post a thread regarding this very issue this morning, I ordered 100ml capella custard V2 last week and they sent V1, I told them and they just sent me another V2 and told me to keep the V1, was wondering whether to use it or not but to be perfectly honest you inhale more dangerous pollutants walking next to a busy road and like has been said already it’s still far safer than smoking which I did for many years, the V1 shall get used
I hope you like that V2. I tried it once and it wasn’t for me. Blah!
I personally don’t pay attention to diacetyl warnings. If they stop making VC V1 @Ken_O_Where and I will probably be putting together a desperate operation to round up the rest of the V1 in the Midwest. We need to start monitoring shipments just in case. Diacetyl is great!
I know what you are saying, before diacetyl-gate I was on V1 and there is definitely a difference but I got used to it, can’t say I’m sorry to be ‘forced’ to use the V1…maybe just for my personal batch
You will find a lot of people here don’t like V2. Some even say it tastes like vomit because of the butyric acid in it. I tend to agree. I can vape it. But I would much rather vape V1 and ignore the warnings as most do.
A lot of people have a lot of different thoughts about this topic. I don’t know of any flavoring company that adds diacetyl to their flavors anymore. There are a lot of different posts around here where opinions on the matter of all things diketone and chemical abound!
The Acetoin “popcorn lung” thing started when employees at the popcorn factory developed lung disease because of their occupational exposure to the pervasive artificial butter (Acetoin) inthe work environment. I think vaping small amounts of acetoin is not the same thing as being attacked by dogs on the way home from Orville Rednbockers because you smell like a huge stick of butter …no where close to the same level of exposure in vaping. I was similarly concerned in the beginning and it’s always better to be safe, but I’ve been abusing Custards and haven’t experienced any short term effects. I also may suffer regrets long-term, so …Vape at your own risk
You can just mail that V1 to me you don’t want it that stuff is terrible for you
my 2 cents:
I use mostly TFA, I find their flavors more forgiving, but more difficult to research. the FAQ https://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/t-faq.aspx has a link to a zip file of all their MSDS sheets for all their flavors https://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/msds/SDS_US_Compressed.zip you need to have a copy of that and you also need to know the vendor SDK# for the flavor in question, which is found by clicking your flavor on the spec sheet list also linked on the FAQ at https://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/specsheetlist.aspx with that number you can then fish through all the PDF’s in the zip file to find that flavors MSDS where you can get the specific gravity and find if the flavor has hazardous components.
Count me among the don’t give a crap crowd. I’ll vape a wool sock if it tastes good.
But seriously, like others have said, each person must choose for themselves. [quote=“BoDarc, post:16, topic:77715”]
I’ve been abusing Custards and haven’t experienced any short term effects
Same here. In fact my breathing is much improved. Is that just the result of stopping smoking? Could be. But I have to wonder how long it’s supposed to take for the deleterious effects of diketone exposure to the lungs? Anyone privy to that information?
Any video tuts on how to vape a wool sock?
The problem I have with it, is unless you use it as a strainer, it only comes in two flavors: toe jam, or athlete’s foot.
I’d just cut out the middle man and use an old gym sock for a wick… but thats just me, to each his own…
I read that there is like 100x the amount of diacetyl in ciggies… so realistically I think its kind of a stretch to think that it will cause some serious effects. We are pretty good at jumping on problems that aren’t really there…ie gluten free… so when something really worrisome shows up we’ll all be screaming poison and it’ll be taken off the market pretty quick.
aww…you’re so caring @Anonymiss…you’re like all heart…lol
it does not concern me to be honest i prefer diketones there are some good diketone free flavors to be honest i think no matter what it is a person does someone will find something wrong with it just my opinion
Sounds “footy”. (A few folks will get this)
Well said. That is called “Propaganda” They influence us one at a time if they have to. Put beliefs in the minds of the weak and ignorant so they can spread the lies to the masses. Then when enough people have fallen for their lies - new laws and regulations are passed in their favor. And they are able to pass them easily claiming it is what the public wants.
Oh, by the way… there is a 50 mile wide meteor heading our way. I have some insurance you can buy that will protect you in case it hits Earth and destroys your home, or simply knocks down your picket fence. You can never be too careful!
Well, some of my favorites have it… I guess I worry a little when every ingredient I put in a liquid has it but… it tastes so darn good!