Flavor warnings help
There are a lot of posts floating around about this topic already, but my opinion is none of them. I want to know theyāre there, but I donāt sweat it. I was inhaling way worse stuff smoking and I had no intention of quitting then. Harm reductionā¦Iām not pretending that e-liquid is perfectly safe, but itās a lot safer than what I was doing and Iām happy to continue doing what Iām doing. Thereās no hard, fast evidence either way when it comes to this stuff and not enough research has been done. For those who choose to avoid, more power to them. For those who donāt, thatās their choice as well. 
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Personally Iām not worried about any of em. Iāve been smoking 4000+ chemicals with my tobacco for 44 years so iām not really loosing any sleep over a trace amount of something or other in my vape. Most vendors have or are in the process of removing the offending additives and now you have people looking for the flavour with the additive because apparently they taste better. I think it is a personal choice, they are easy to avoid if you donāt want them. I wasnāt planning on living forever and God knows what I inhale just walking the street, so I just enjoy my vape.
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The majority of the flavoring companies out there have removed diacetyl or claim to be diacetyl free. I do not believe there has been actual proof that inhalation of this is actually harmful BUT take the whole popcorn lung thing for example where workers who inhaled powdered diacetyl for years developed this conditionā¦proof or not this is enough information for me to stay away.
Something that I find interesting and a lot of people do not know this is diacetyl is actually in cigarettes! Levels of diacetyl in tobacco are significantly higher than those found in the factories where the popcorn lung was contracted, bringing into question is the diacetyl the cause of the condition?
Unfortunately there really hasnāt been any major testing in the vape world on what is really harmful or not and we may never know for many years.
As for me, I prefer to try and stay away from anything that has a lot of controversy around it to begin with
I will warn youā¦this topic is a ārabbit holeā from which many never return!
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You just beat me to it
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I agree with @Jimkā¦this is a topic with NO END or resolve my friendā¦
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what is more frowned upon, diacetyl or acetone?
Anything custard related is āfrowned uponā I believeā¦ which would be bothā¦
Personally inhaling anything besides good olā oxygen really isnāt āsafeā for youā¦but good lord anything is miles better then all the shit they cram into an analog cigaretteā¦
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Acetone is the stuff in nail polish removers. Acetoin (which is what youāre thinking of, Iām guessing) is supposedly LESS harmful, but nobody really knows for sure. Itās the same type of chemical, just a step prior to diacetyl. According to TPA, Itās been shown that acetoin can ācatalyzeā into diacetyl naturally so even if there isnāt any added diacetyl in something, a flavoring that contains acetoin (and also some natural flavorings that are extracted from fruits) can also contain trace amounts of diacetyl.
Basically, if youāre wanting to avoid diacetyl, youāll probably need to avoid all ādiketonesāādiacetyl, acetoin, and acetyl propionyl.
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You will go completely mental in a search for your answer on this and at the end of the dayā¦no avail
Mt baker has a blog about Diacetyl if you are interested
but like I said nothing to my knowledge has been proven as fact yet so jump on down that rabbit hole if you wishā¦I did! Took me about a week to climb back out and Iām none the wiser;)
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I am a custard/cream lover when it comes to ejuice and I like popcornā¦win win right? 
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I have two concernsā¦ flavor and value. When I see a car coming I get out of the street. The same with vaping. If I knew there was something to avoid then I would avoid it. I enjoy vaping too much to fear the unknown. Anybody who think they control their own destiny is a fool. You may be able to cheat a lot of thingsā¦ but death isnāt one of them. I heard a saying as a young man that taught me to live in the moment. It is āAs sure as you were born to die.ā I learned then not fear the unknown. There are too many ways to leave this earth than to be so concerned about one. Live for today because tomorrow aināt promised. Iām gonna get down off my soap box now and mute this post.
Signing offā¦ NewDrip aka ND aka Vape Happy!
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Is there a vendor that is Diacetyl free? Or is there links for Diacetyl free recipes on here?
From what I know, most flavor vendors are trying to be ādiacetyl freeā but a lot of them use acetoin and/or acetyl propionyl as an alternative. If you check on a flavor in ELR, it will let you know if thereās a known issue with a flavor by displaying a little triangle, or you can check on the vendorās website. Your best bet would probably be to stick with Flavour Art flavorings for the most part as I believe they are supposed to be free of diketones, or find flavors that are known to be clear of acetoin or acetyl propionyl. But, if you want any kind of authentic cream, milk, butter, custard, etc. flavor it is going to have either diacetyl, acetoin, acetyl propionyl, or butyric acid (another alternative to diacetyl).
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Youāre a Saint!
Mother Theresaās got nothing on you! ; )
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Every Vendor has made a effort to go Diacetyl Free. Why I have no idea but they have. I donāt know how many times I have said this already on ELR, guess Iāll say it again. NO ONE has proven that Diacetyl is bad for you while vaping since our exposure is next to nil. The only PROVEN fact is the workers in popcorn factories have developed POPCORN LUNG from the diacetyl exposure that in one day is more then you will vape in a year. Know this, if they do not use diacetyl then they have to use a substitute. Those substitutes are Butyric Acid and Acetoin. It has not been proven that Acetoin is any better for you then Diacetyl. It is also not proven that Butyric Acid is better for you than Diacetyl, in fact there are those who believe it is worse. As @NewDrip believes, I believe. As I tell my wife, letās not worry until we have something to worry about. I see nothing here to worry aboutā¦
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TFA claims that Acetoin is not a Diketone. Guess itās notā¦
Man, I can beleive Thatā¦
Nothing to talk about here, Agreedā¦
I stand by this thoughtā¦
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Hence the quotes around diketones. It technically isnāt a diketone, but is lumped in with them so often that itās easier just to call them all diketones. TPA calls them ācustard notesā which I guess works as well.
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