And here I always chalked that up to the natural oils coming to the surface from the roasting process!
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thats what i thought too until i went to a roastery. the beans are dull out of the cooker. guess you could experiment with the coffee/tea flavor(hazelnut) on a regular roast bean. could mix some flavor with a smidge of VG then pour into your coffee and mix well. hmmmā¦might have to try this!
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I remember reading at one point where a few folks were playing with the idea of a NEC (naturally extracted caffeine) processā¦ No, they were going for a coffee flavor!!
I want to say @BoDarc was one of the ones involvedā¦ But I could be wrong. Iāve read probably 10-20,000 posts since then, so itās a bit fuzzy. 
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the guy at the roastery explained how they extract caffeineā¦but because i wasnt real interested in it at the time i half assed listened. a home brewed coffee flavor eh? doesnt sound too tasty atm
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You are actually correct @Mark_Turner Walt was quoted saying that a small amount of PDO is in the RF SC. Can someone please find this post, those RF threads are hugeā¦where is the quote from Walt himself?
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Lmao I agree both NF butterscotch and NF brown sugar are strong as hell. They are āsleepersā as they they tend to increase in intensity as time goes onā¦
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never have i tried nf brown sugarā¦have enough brown sugar to flavor the wabash river.
however, i might pick up a small bottle of that. thanks for the idea!
i wonder if RF changed the SC formula. in the soda thread, walt furnished a good syrup recipe using RF SC. if it had PDO in it, the final taste would be off like that of PG in soda. guess a company can change anything it wants and never tell usā¦as long as the original flavor is the same. iāll have to look at the soda thread again. finding that quote you mentioned in that threadā¦damn, id need another week of vacation
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Yes get the NF brown sugar, much truer flavor than TPA or RF i am not a fan of either of those flavors. Warning though strong! I use 0.25%. As far as the soda base RF i use the vg version so no PDO. I see it as an additive so saw no need to get the SC version.
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i was joking about the soda base.
not sure if i have that soda base at all. i liked the SC brown sugar at firstā¦until the mixes fully steeped and then the strangeness came forward. i wont use it anymore but may in a soda syrup. already have another giant flavor list so i may sub the brown sugar NF for something else
But they seem to contradict each other maybe @Walt_RealFlavors can chime in an clear it up - I have looked at a couple of msds (i dont have any for sc just vg) none contain pdo that I can see.
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That is confusing, alright. Thought emailing the company for a definitive answer would be the end if it, I guess they could have gotten it wrong. Maybe there is a difference between being PDO based and having some PDO in it?
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Hey Recently joined Iām pretty new to mixology, but Iāve been sniffing after PG-free flavours forā¦maybe a year now, in preparation for the day when EU legislationws make it downright impossible to get PG-free juice in the flavours and strengths I like. Which day has now passed.
I can add one more to those already mentioned http://www.flavormonks.com/prodcut-category/pgfree/
Only six flavours, Iām afraid, but good, I hear.(Iāve only tried one of them as yet)
It might be a while before got anything useful to add to the flavour notes here, but I love the idea of we PG-free vapers banding together,.
Any chance they could give us a subforum?
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Greetings and salutations! Thanks for putting FlavorMonks on the list. Iāll be keeping an eye on them in hopes that they pick up a US distributor. (or have they already??) So far, their website stated that they only ship to āBelgium, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, France, Germany, Great Britain, Italy, Spain, Sweden, Denmark, Austria, Finland, Poland, Portugal, Greece, Ireland, Czech Republic, Hungary, Norway, Turkey, Russia and China.ā But Iāve found some info on another page that makes me hopeful that it can be done. Thanks again, more later
They are all alcohol base but sometimes there are trace amounts of PDO, or VG. 2 do have trace amounts of PG. This is due to the ingredients used to make a flavor (not an extract) being suspended in these items. They are so low of amounts that most test will not even show PDO, VG, or PG but I like to be transparent as possible.
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Cheers thank you @Walt_RealFlavors It has been been said by several people here that they feel pdo is responsible for muting of flavours over time but I suspect the amounts in a recipe would be so small as to not ever come into play.
The same would apply to any E.M. used in the flavour the amount that would translate into a recipe would only be trace amounts.
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Thanks for the clarification, Walt
Maybe you can mark those particular flavours, on your website, with āmay contain. tracesā¦ā ,Then, I think you can trust this lot here to figure out if those traces make a difference to anyone.
Thanks, @Walt_RealFlavors! That definitely clears up the confusion. Btw, your rose flavor is awesome! Any more florals in the pipeline? If youāre taking requests, jasmine, violet and honey suckle are on my shopping list!
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If youāre craving Violet Flavour, try Medicine Flowerās violet? I 've been wanting that ever since I tried Virgin Vaporās Violet juice (I understand that MF is their concentrate supplier). It was awesome, but pricey, and a bit of a faff to get hold of in the UK . (Actually, I wasnāt even doing DIY back then , but sort of mentally gearing up for it, I guess) I finally received a bottle of this in the post , last weekend, and mixed a test batch the other day. I expect Iāll have a biit more to say, once itās steep[ed awhile, but Iām so confident itās gonna be good that Iāve added some to my super-high-strength nic juice already.
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I really dig the MF line. Virgin Vapor was what hipped me to them, too. MFās prices are keeping me away right now. So, I found some sample sizes for cheap at ECX, but they donāt carry any of the florals, which my wife really likes. I just canāt drop that kind of cash on a large bottle until Iām sure Iāll use it a lot. Iāve also read that they short their bottles and donāt seem to want to make it right to the extent that I feel they should. Iām really liking the customer service and quality at RF, so Iād much rather go with them if possible. Hoping they go beyond rose in the floral category soon! Cheers!
Ps. Also havenāt tried Natureās Flavors yet, they are a bit better priced and have the florals I want to get. Iāve heard good things about their priduct, so Iāll probably try them out soon.
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Let me know how that steep goes!