Coronavirus

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https://ussanews.com/News1/2021/08/09/immunologist-dr-dan-stock-tells-school-board-the-information-we-are-getting-from-the-cdc-and-the-nih-on-covid-is-counter-factual-video/

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Everything we are doing is wrong. Everything being recommended by the CDC is inconsistent with established Science and their own data. Masks are ineffective at preventing viral transmission, per the CDC’s and NIH’s own data.

We cannot make respiratory viruses disappear. They circulate all year, and they have animal reservoirs. Smallpox had no animal reservoirs.

Vaccination changes none of this. The current vaccine is causing anti-body mediated viral enhancement, which has happened for all coronaviruses.

Vaccines allow the virus to be come worse than it would with native infection.

75% of symptomatic COVID cases in Cape Cod were of fully-vaccinated individuals.

Therefore vaccinated and unvaccinated should be treated equally.

Vaccinated individuals are shedding virus. The vaccines don’t do exactly what you want them to do. These summer outbreaks are unusual, and being driven by the vaccinated. People who had COVID get no benefit at all from vaccination, and they get reactions to the vaccines at four to six times the previously uninfected.

Everything we are doing is wrong and unscientific.

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@Mikser that Italian video (situation) is VERY interesting to me. Perhaps the “people” are waking up ?

Very good read on your first link.

Although the inhibition of transmission in pursuit of herd immunity was a fundamental premise underlying the COVID-19 vaccine program, the reality, according to CDC Director Rochelle Walensky, is very different from that. That’s right; the vaccine doesn’t stop the vaccinated from becoming vectors or transmitters themselves. A core foundational question emerges: are the vaccines instrumental as a matter of public health or more of a personal preference? This discussion unfolded on Friday as CNN’s Wolf Blitzer interviewed the CDC director Walensky who declared that although, of course, the vaccines were protecting people from more severe illness “…But what they can’t do anymore is prevent transmission.” This was very different from Walensky’s position back in March, when she made the claim that vaccinated people would nearly never get infected, of course now an obviously false statement. How could she make such claims back then? There was no actual scientific proof for such a declaration. Back then Walensky declared, “Our data from the CDC suggest that vaccinated people do not carry the virus.” Of course, this was completely wrong.

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@Mikser still vetting this one…

The study,1 “Informed Consent Disclosure to Vaccine Trial Subjects of Risk of COVID-19 Vaccine Worsening Clinical Disease,” published in the International Journal of Clinical Practice, October 28, 2020, points out that “COVID-19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralizing antibodies may sensitize vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated.”

As noted by the authors of that International Journal of Clinical Practice paper, previous coronavirus vaccine efforts — for severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV), Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV) and respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) — have revealed a serious concern: The vaccines have a tendency to trigger antibody-dependent enhancement.

What exactly does that mean? In a nutshell, it means that rather than enhance your immunity against the infection, the vaccine actually enhances the virus’ ability to enter and infect your cells, resulting in more severe disease than had you not been vaccinated.2

This is the exact opposite of what a vaccine is supposed to do, and a significant problem that has been pointed out from the very beginning of this push for a COVID-19 vaccine. The 2003 review paper “Antibody-Dependent Enhancement of Virus Infection and Disease” explains it this way:

Previous Coronavirus Vaccine Efforts Have All Failed

In my May 2020 interview above with Robert Kennedy Jr., he summarized the history of coronavirus vaccine development, which began in 2002, following three consecutive SARS outbreaks. By 2012, Chinese, American and European scientists were working on SARS vaccine development, and had about 30 promising candidates.

Of those, the four best vaccine candidates were then given to ferrets, which are the closest analogue to human lung infections. In the video below, which is a select outtake from my full interview, Kennedy explains what happened next. While the ferrets displayed robust antibody response, which is the metric used for vaccine licensing, once they were challenged with the wild virus, they all became severely ill and died.

The same thing happened when they tried to develop an RSV vaccine in the 1960s. RSV is an upper respiratory illness that is very similar to that caused by coronaviruses. At that time, they had decided to skip animal trials and go directly to human trials.

“They tested it on I think about 35 children, and the same thing happened,” Kennedy said. “The children developed a champion antibody response — robust, durable. It looked perfect [but when] the children were exposed to the wild virus, they all became sick. Two of them died. They abandoned the vaccine. It was a big embarrassment to FDA and NIH.”

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@Mikser.

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/

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THE CHECKERED PAST OF THE VACCINE COMPANIES

The four major companies who are making these covid vaccines are/have either:

  1. Never brought a vaccine to market before covid (Moderna and Johnson & Johnson).
  2. Are serial felons (Pfizer, and Astra Zeneca).
  3. Are both (Johnson & Johnson).

Moderna had been trying to “Modernize our RNA” (thus the company name)–for years, but had never successfully brought ANY product to market–how nice for them to get a major cash infusion from the government to keep trying.

In fact, all major vaccine makers (save Moderna) have paid out tens of billions of dollars in damages for other products they brought to market when they knew those products would cause injuries and death–see Vioxx, Bextra, Celebrex, Thalidomide, and Opioids as a few examples.

If drug companies willfully choose to put harmful products in the market, when they can be sued, why would we trust any product where they have NO liability?

In case it hasn’t sunk in, let me reiterate…3 of the 4 covid vaccine makers have been sued for products they brought to market even though they knew injuries and deaths would result.

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THE UGLY HISTORY OF ATTEMPTS TO MAKE CORONAVIRUS VACCINES

There have been many attempts to make viral vaccines in the past that ended in utter failure, which is why we did not have a coronavirus vaccine in 2020.

In the 1960’s, scientists attempted to make an RSV (Respiratory Syncytial Virus) vaccine for infants.

In that study, they skipped animal trials because they weren’t necessary back then.

In the end, the vaccinated infants got much sicker than the unvaccinated infants when exposed to the virus in nature, with 80% of the vaccinated infants requiring hospitalization, and two of them died.

After 2000, scientists made many attempts to create coronavirus vaccines.

For the past 20 years, all ended in failure because the animals in the clinical trials got very sick and many died, just like the children in the 1960’s.

You can read a summary of this history/science here .

Or if you want to read the individual studies you can check out these links:

  • In 2004 attempted vaccine produced hepatitis in ferrets
  • In 2005 mice and civets became sick and more susceptible to coronaviruses after being vaccinated
  • In 2012 the ferrets became sick and died. And in this study mice and ferrets developed lung disease.
  • In 2016 this study also produce lung disease in mice.

The typical pattern in the studies mentioned above is that the children and the animals produced beautiful antibody responses after being vaccinated.

The manufacturers thought they hit the jackpot.

The problem came when the children and animals were exposed to the wild version of the virus.

When that happened, an unexplained phenomenon called Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE) also known as Vaccine Enhanced Disease (VED) occurred where the immune system produced a “cytokine storm” (i.e. overwhelmingly attacked the body), and the children/animals died.

Here’s the lingering issue…

The vaccine makers have no data to suggest their rushed vaccines have overcome that problem.

In other words, never before has any attempt to make a coronavirus vaccine been successful, nor has the gene-therapy technology that is mRNA “vaccines” been safely brought to market, but hey, since they had billions of dollars in government funding, I’m sure they figured that out.

Except they don’t know if they have…

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  • Based on all of the above, it becomes already apparent that mass vaccination campaigns conducted in the midst of a pandemic of more infectious variants will rapidly and dramatically weaken instead of strengthen the population’s overall immune protection status and, therefore, not contribute to generating herd immunity. This is because mutual viral transmission between the non-vaccinated and vaccinated population enables a self-amplifying, synergistic effect between high viral infectivity rates (due to more infectious circulating variants) and high vaccine coverage rates (due to mass vaccination). This results in enhanced expansion of more infectious, increasingly VI-escaping variants as depicted in Fig. 2:

  • High infectivity rates turn the non-vaccinated population into a breeding ground for increasingly infectious variants and a factory for the production and transmission of such infectious variants. Due to their increasing infectiousness and expansion in prevalence, viral infection and transmission rates rapidly increase and further erode natural immunity in a number of previously asymptomatically infected individuals (i.e., starting with healthy, middle-aged adults and progressively involving younger and younger individuals). This, in turn, increases S-directed immune selection pressure and drives natural selection and possibly adaptation of even more infectious variants.

  • High vaccine coverage rates turn the exposed vaccinated population into a brewery for more VI-escaping viral variants.

  • Upon their transmission to vaccinees, more infectious variants that will evolve additional mutations conferring increasing resistance to functional S-directed vaccinal Abs will be selected as those gain a competitive advantage in vaccinees and will, therefore, reproduce more effectively. Subsequent transmission of the VI-escaping variants to non-vaccinated subjects will enable them to rapidly expand in prevalence and, therefore, replace or at least dominate previously circulating variants.

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Pretty impressive resume …

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I wish these were smaller, more manageable, so that more people would watch, read, etc., but they are what they are. This is not the first time I have heard many of these concepts/ideas/thoughts, but I found Dr. Bossche to be VERY credible, with an extensive resume/history/past, and what appears to be a GENUINE desire towards humanity, not any political, or vax/anti-vax slants. Sorry for the long video.

I’ve just finished this one …

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An interesting point @Mikser but I can’t help but wonder. With all of the pro propaganda, and anyone/everyone who does not share that EXACT same belief is immediately labeled, discounted, discredited, I honestly do not know how many people do or do not know at this point. Obviously I hope that Dr. Bossche is wrong, and that this doesn’t spin up and up, with an ever increasing toxicity, and vax resistance, but, guess what, I don’t have a PhD in my name, so, hehe, I’ll have to defer to others.

I’d like to see Dr. Bossche’s and Faucci’s resumes compared, BUT, I don’t want to stop there, I would ALSO like to see who holds WHAT patents, hehe, and who has a “stake” in the current status quo. :slight_smile: Just so we can see who has a monetary stake, and who COULD just be in the fight, just for humanitarian reasons.

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https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/unresolvedquestions

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VERY easy to do.

Yes, it does …

Let’s reflect, what exactly IS our treatment plan FOR COVID ?? I mean officially…

GET your shots
WEAR a mask
SOCIALLY distance

Right ??

No treatments, no nothing, not even (official) attempts to do anything other than what, Wait And See ??

That’s not a plan.

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Will read this one a second time @mikser

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We have a Federal election coming up sometime next year and it will be either May or September sometime if things pan out as expected. In case you didn’t know, voting is compulsory in Australia and you will get fined if you don’t rock up on polling day and vote. Anyways, wanna guess which party I’m voting for? Don’t worry, this is thread related :wink:.

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Do you really think that? Getting COVID is not a get out of jail free card. It doesn’t prevent a person from getting it again. Would you really want to be a spreader of disease that kills a lot of people? Some people aren’t affected very much but others go from 100 to 0 in two weeks.

@Guido_Possum I know you’re really just expressing your pent up frustrations in you own special way😆

I just found out that a guy I know and his autistic adult son are both trying to shake off COVID for the second time each :hushed: . Luckily his wife has tested negative. I also heard today about a friend of a friend where her and her elderly mother both have it and they aren’t doing well. They are both anti-vaxers. The local hospitals are overflowing again. They have tents setup outside. The girl and her mother didn’t want to go out of fear of being stuck in a tent. They were offered an airlift to a hospital a few hundred miles away and they didn’t want to go there so they turned it down. So they are both just sitting at home thinking they are better off there than at a hospital :disappointed_relieved:

My apologies for getting off topic. Everyone stay sane and safe.

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I dunno I’d go so far as claim I want to just go breathing filth on everyone around me, but without a doubt: if they would just leave mandatory mask wearing plus 1.5m radius rules as standard, I am 100% willing to roll the dice on being infected if it means going back to work and being able to continue - living, instead of waiting week after week of the only life we have for some arsehole politicians to open society again.

I hear so much from politicians too about front-line workers being out there battling on our behalf: but both politicians and front-line workers are actually able to go out every day like semi-normal people though, take home their usual earnings and all, while the rest of us are being forced to sit and watch the only commodity that matters - time - just fucking slide-on by.

This is also after last years lockdowns: they went on from what, March-December abouts, so we were locked down all last year and now this year it’s started in June and looks like lasting until Christmas again.

It’s ridiculous - almost two years straight of living like cave-dwellers while Canberra endlessly floods media with the “Killer Virus” narrative to keep the entire country scared enough to fabricate justification for trashing the national economy, peoples jobs and livelihoods, destroying countless small businesses and racking up hundreds of billions in debt, over a virus that’s still gunna be right there waiting whenever lockdowns end.

COVID-19 isn’t going anywhere: even vaccinated people are becoming infected because the vaccine’s are only “somewhat” effective and people are going to die whenever we open back up - no matter how many people are inoculated, because it isn’t inoculating anything, just reducing symptoms for those who get it: ‘vaccinated’ people are still becoming just as infected; just as contagious; still carrying the same virus load as people who have never had a shot.

I would think that a vaccine that does nothing to stop people contracting the pathogen it’s meant to protect them from a fail: like having a Polio vaccination that doesn’t stop you getting polio, then contracting polio and spreading it to everyone you come in contact with but that’s cool because only ONE of your legs is all bent and fucked-up instead of both so you don’t look like a fucking human spider and you can still walk with a crush right?

What a score!

Never mind that we still don’t even know how many generations of the current ‘vaccines’ will be required before they manage to create something even approved for human use.

A big fat what the fuck on that.

‘Contagious threat = Separate everyone forever!’ <–That’s the only real defense against a contagious thing without a real vaccine, but it’s not possible: the idiocy of even trying to keep millions of people continually separated - like a highly transmissible virus will just stop propagating and die - that’s, stupidity.

The very fact they’re still trying to force this fairytale strategy at all is almost as stupid as everyone believing it’s worth doing at all, when the truth is we’re all just going to have to accept the fact that MANY people ARE going to die when society opens again and stalling doesn’t make that any less inevitable.

So they just continue with their fingers on the ‘pause’ button trying to extend the stand-still as long as possible: like that’s going to stop the mass infections and deaths later: they know it won’t.

The virus will go apeshit as soon as society opens again no matter what we do: lockdowns are simply kicking the can down the street - again and again and again and again and the same shitty can will still be waiting for us regardless how often some chickenshit government kicks it…

That’s not a rant directed at you @JiM210 of course, but at cowardly fuckhead leaders and desk-hugging medical eggheads who just REFUSE to admit that all their combined expertise means nothing at all, if all they can do is stand around like fools pretending we can wait-out a virus that only needs a single person to explode back in the population again.

/rant 0

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Exactly

The truth is vaccinated people are the ones spreading it. It shouldn’t be even here in the summer yet the “delta” variant is taking over. The delta variant is worse because the “vaccine” has made it worse. The Hospitals are not overflowing with covid patients. When they say they are at “capacity” it only means that the number of beds they have set aside for covid are all taken up. Listen to what these pricks are saying.

Anyway, I am done talking about covid and I pray to the g*d I don’t believe in, that all covid threads be taken to PM’s or the lounge or saloon. Whichever one needs members to see it.

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Me too cause I always end up devolving into a rant about the government now! Covid is like a fkn trigger word to me! /spits

And that idiot premier just added another MONTH onto the lockdown!!

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SAME!! Something really fucked up is going on. I don’t know what and I don’t claim to but it seems to me that the US, Britain, and Australia have really seemed to be targeted. I would say Canada too but they seem to go right along with whatever their gooberment wants. Though, I have seen some Canadians that have gotten their ire up!

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@Dan_the_Man, @Guido_Possum

https://twitter.com/MatteaMerta/status/1388701253215997956

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