Coronavirus

General Pandemic
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AT the local smoke shop here…

The owner actual said… there is something else at play… it’s not all about the virus.
I wish I could have gotten him on cam… he was supper spooked.

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Oh crap. A head shop owner in Virginia said there’s a conspiracy. That’s it; I’m building a bunker.

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??? I didn’t make it to Va… lol… South Carolina, and we all have our own different thoughts on the matter, for sure… Someone else even declared we will have a new $$ out of this as its all China’s fault.

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SEATTLE - Medical leaders in Washington State, which has the highest number of coronavirus deaths in the country, have quietly begun preparing a bleak triage strategy to determine which patients may have to be denied complete medical care in the event that the health system becomes overwhelmed by the coronavirus in the coming weeks. Fearing a critical shortage of supplies, including the ventilators needed to help the most seriously ill patients breathe, state officials and hospital leaders held a conference call on Wednesday night to discuss the plans, according to several people involved in the talks. The triage document, still under consideration, will assess factors such as age, health and likelihood of survival in determining who will get access to full care and who will merely be provided comfort care, with the expectation that they will die. The effort is statewide so individual doctors and hospitals will not be left to make such decisions, said Cassie Sauer, chief executive of the Washington State Hospital Association, one of the groups convening the call. “It’s protecting the clinicians so you don’t have one person who’s kind of playing God,” she said, adding, “It is chilling, and it should not happen in America.”

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Agree 100% .

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My state/county is now 3rd highest with 12 positive…

https://www.scdhec.gov/monitoring-testing-covid-19

and they are even making a corona hospital

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Quiet a few are under “trial” and there is one I can not remember the name of, but it is used for malaria… and that is what he was discussing.

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Reassuring the people at the moment looks like the government is taking control of the situation and avoid spreading of the virus until they know they have a vaccine. Saying that trials are being done with possible vaccines is not really reassuring people because there’s still a huge unknown.

Today on the news, they said our country is closing down its borders, nobody is allowed to travel unnecessarily (on top of all the previous measures) so that the virus has no chance to spread anymore. Looking at the current spread of the virus and the cases in hospital, combined with what happened in other countries, they can roughly predict the amount of people that will need to be hospitalized. They have the number of cases and the number of available beds in intensive care exceed those cases. We won’t be in the same situation Italy is in and that is reassuring.

We know this, we going to do that, we have a plan, … reassuring.
I believe, we hope, … not reassuring.

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Italy’s CV Deaths Today… 627

Their #1 advice to other countries is… “Lock Down Today!”

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Damn it Phil! You made me shoot Ginger Ale outta my nose! :rofl:

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An eloquent, apropos observation, I suppose. I lived in “Jim Crow” Memphis, TN. An Apartheid State.


Who Are The Brain Police ?

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Some people just know how to improvise… :slightly_smiling_face:

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As at 6.30am on 21 March 2020, there have been 874 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Australia. There have been 165 new cases since 6.30am yesterday.

Of the 874 confirmed cases in Australia, 7 have died from COVID-19. More than 115,000 tests have been conducted across Australia.

On 21 March 2020 at 01:56:39 PM (Canberra time), the resident population of Australia is projected to be:
25,634,085

So our infection rate is 0.003409522906708 - I think?
Maths is not my strongpoint :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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No problem, I just quoted you to say we don’t yet know what we’re dealing with and what you said could be a real consequence of CV19. I did hear doctors on the radio say that people that heal from the disease (even young people) may have lasting effects (e.g. reduced long efficiency) so we should take all of this a bit more serious than a lot of people do.

Politicians are treating this all as a game, talk about herd immunity and having the population getting infected at a slow rate, citizens are completely ignoring social distancing and other government recommendations, … it’s all a bit of chaos and it’s maddening that it all seems a bit out of control.

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(The Lancet, February 24, 2020):

The typical pattern of CT images in subclinical patients (group 1) was unilateral, multifocal, predominantly ground-glass opacities. In the first week after symptom onset (group 2), lesions quickly evolved to bilateral, diffuse disease, with a relative decrease in the frequency of ground-glass opacities and a transition to consolidation and mixed-pattern development. Pleural effusion and lymphadenopathy were also detected in group 2. Subsequently, ground-glass opacities continued to decrease in frequency throughout the second week after symptom onset (group 3), while consolidation became the second most common pattern. A reticular pattern associated with bronchiolectasis and irregular interlobular or septal thickening were also noted to increase progressively from the second week. These findings indicated the appearance of interstitial changes, suggesting the development of fibrosis. However, since the natural history of COVID-19 pneumonia is yet to be fully explored, it is too early to label these lung changes as irreversible fibrosis. As the disease progressed in the third week after symptom onset, consolidation and mixed patterns became more common, while ground-glass opacities decreased further. Bronchiolectasis, thickening of the adjacent pleura, and pleural effusion mainly appeared at this stage.

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I get 0.0034095229067 %
where Percent [%] equals 100 x ( Number / Reference Number ) [when numerical ratio is less than 1.0]

Perhaps also interesting to calculate the Number of Confirmed (by testing “positive”) cases divided by the Number of Tests conducted, and multiplied by 100. From your (rough) data, I get 0.76% for that.

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@Raven-Knightly I tried to read the article but that’s just way over my head, I don’t have a medical background :smiley:

But this is really the take away for now. If they can’t say anything about vaping after a 10 year history, what do people expect from 3 months of Corona?

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Indeed. I have also read (similar clinical literature) discussing the possibility of (eventual) healing of lung fibrosis (with respiratory physical therapy) for less severe cases, (also however) noting observations raising possibilities of permanent pulmonary damage (fibrosis) in the more severe cases. Being intubated, and existing on external ventilator(s) appears to be a major physically profound event in itself.

The ACE2 type receptors that COVID-19 binds to, entering one’s system, are expressed in significant amounts in lungs, heart, kidney, and as well, gastrointestinal system (including the mouth), causing the gastrointestinal symptoms also reported (in around 50% of cases in some data). There are concerns being expressed that COVID-19 is systemically active. Yet (oddly), people are encouraged to donate blood (plasma, actually). Many things about what is really going on will take a good while to determine.

The PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) test examines the antigen itself. It seems (from listening to an epidemiologist / infectious-disease specialist the other day) that (at least easily conducted) human antibody (to the microbe, being the antigen itself) tests are not presently well developed (or, at least, feasible in large scale testing). As well, the virus mutates roughly every 15 days or so (which might result in a different antibody in humans). It seems likely that COVID-19 (and evolving variants over time) are likely here to stay - world-wide, year-round. It would be great to be wrong on that. “Herd immunity”.

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