Coronavirus

I see the US has broken the 100,000 mark for confirmed CV cases. Some say we might have been here for a while, but since we recently started testing like we should have much earlier, it’s now confirmed. They also state this could have been prevented if the virus was taken seriously from the start.

No More Talk Of An Easter Deadline!

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(The Verge, March 27, 2020): … recent research done around the world showing that people with mild or no symptoms could be driving outbreaks. Studies show that they have high levels of the virus in their noses and throats and that people appear to be more infectious earlier in the course of their illness before significant symptoms may have developed. COVID-19 is an unusual illness in that respect. When the virus first appeared, experts - including Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases - stressed that asymptomatic cases haven’t been the main driver in other outbreaks of respiratory diseases.

Source: https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/27/21197195/washington-nursing-home-coronavirus-test-asymptomatic-king-county

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(New York Times, March 25, 2020): “Can You Become Immune to the Coronavirus?

… a qualified yes, with some significant unknowns. … antibodies to the coronaviruses that cause the common cold persist for just one to three years - and that may be true of their new cousin as well. … Most people who became infected during the SARS epidemic - that virus is a close cousin of the new coronavirus, called SARS-CoV-2 - had long-term immunity lasting eight to 10 years … Those who recovered from MERS, another coronavirus, saw much shorter-term protection …

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(Slate, March 27, 2020): The Key Stat in the NY Times’ Piece About Losing Your Sense of Smell Was Wrong - Anosmia and coronavirus might be connected, but we just don’t have good data yet

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It is clear that Trump has no federal authority (under the current situation, thankfully ! ) to impinge upon the “states’ rights” that his tea-bag sycophants and devotees claim to be so sacred. The (non-advisory, and actually jurisdictional) limitations placed upon persons and business activities has been exclusively directed by state governors and/or local government officials. (Therefore), Trump’s phony histrionics are nothing but the usual “shiny-object-distraction nothing-burger”. His goal is to “play the optimist”, all the while attempting to project blame and scorn upon others for the costs, suffering, death that mean little to him as compared to his own narcisso-centric financial and political fortunes. The “emperor” has no soul.


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(CNN, March 28, 2020):
Fact check: Trump makes another round of misstatements during coronavirus briefing

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Better Living Through Science

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woah… no one else caught this???

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/eu-e2-80-99s-chief-brexit-negotiator-barnier-says-he-has-coronavirus/ar-BB11p48X

some sites say bs… others say this is not happening… whats up?

Since this thread has derailed so many times…

Plot twist… lets see what you all have to say on this one:

“This scheme essentially merges the Fed and Treasury into one organization. So, meet your new Fed chairman, Donald J. Trump.”

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/feds-cure-risks-being-worse-110052807.html

note: some say this is a lie, others do not… :slight_smile:

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@Pro_Vapes this isn’t directed towards you in any way but the reporter of this article:

Ok, like this is real??? Without some sort of treatment we should start handing out arsenic or something like that to people. “Unprecedented” just as the disease is. China’s beginning to see a 2nd wave of this. Imagine what NYC’s going to be like if they start getting hammered by something like that.

We’re close to (if not over) spending 20% of what this year’s US GNP and it’s only the 4th month into the year. We need some sort of “all clear” for some of the rural areas for them to start. In Virginia, even the rural communities (really rural) have this disease showing up.

They don’t have enough masks for Nurses and Dr’s. Nitrile gloves? If we don’t start getting some medical supplies stocked up for people this is only a stall in a broader infection of the country.

It’s just my humble opinion. We need an “all clear” in rural areas. If we can get that, some of America can get back to work. I’m imagining a run on the banks by small businesses for loans ASAP.

I know we all want to get back to work but I don’t want to see parents bringing this home to their children because we didn’t wait long enough to be prepared. “Make sure you take some rubbers with you” is going to take on a new meaning from this point on.

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And each time you thought it was the last time you were in awe of this disease…

How long do you think it will be when people like Bill Gates etc… start showing signs of this disease? We have public figures getting it now. We’ll see how protected the ultra high classes stay isolated.

Just curious.

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@Pro_Vapes
Sounds to me like this lady needs to stop reporting the news and see what she can do to make ventilators or masks???

This was right after it:

This, from a man who isn’t reporting the news but trying to explain how deep this rabbit hole really is.

It’'s a PANDEMIC LADY not a vacation.

@Mikser
They’ll need power, water, and I’m sure they don’t have stockpiles of food. Bringing that stuff in exposes them. When Bill Gates starts speaking 6 weeks, That begins go get pretty lengthy.

Maybe after this we’re going to see a lot more survivalist mega rich people lmao.

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Unfortunately, not that simple. We have a bowel movement of people pouring out of Detroit headed “up north” to escape the spread in the dense area. Unfortunately, they are only transporting the virus into the rural areas.

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@SmilingOgre
Trust me, I know it’s not that simple. The people in the cities are going to run for the hills as soon as they realize the cities are overrun. (COVID - 19 is no where near as bad as the bubonic plague and they’re going to stream out of the cities like rats leaving a sinking ship).

That aspect of the disease is the insidiousness of it. It’s incubation time and replication time make it highly transportable.

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@Mikser

I hope for their sake they’re wheels up and soon. There may be quite a bit of anger towards them somewhere in the middle of this.You never know where mob mentality will turn its head at. These people will be blamed for not “chipping in” enough even if they gave 99% of what they had away.

@anon84779643
I don’t know the markets well enough to say with definitively. I can take a guess that this is going to make purchasing stocks using it’s previous performance as a marker to graph it’s future expectations a nightmare (I’m reaching here because I don’t dabble in either stock or bond markets).

Oh, Just repeating what I heard from a friend living near the GM plant. The president invoked the Defense Production Act because GM took a 3 week hiatus (no idea why. I’m guessing to change footing?). Ford was up and running making ventilators much faster.

Again… I have no idea what the stall was. Don’t shoot the messenger. I was told they took a vacation but I highly doubt that part was true.

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@daath,
Wouldn’t anecdotal evidence be bore out sorta quickly if we did it as the President suggested? There are going to be a # of cases that are allergic to Z-Pack antibiotics. 2nd, the Z-pack used so much in such a tight area might cause another virus (like MERSA) to become resistant to it (just tossing the idea out there)?
So far, I haven’t read anything that suggests the 2 are antagonistic. If it was, the pharmaceutical industry would be screaming it’s dangerous.

Couldn’t the HHS request publicly to have all information (anecdotal) relayed to them? Symptoms when administered? We have baselines of the severity of people’s conditions at extreme levels as comparison, recovery time for individuals given the medication, possible dosing levels from Dr’s that administered the drugs together, and failures of the cocktail.
There should be enough information to extrapolate something? We really are in a period that we don’t have time to do the clinical studies this Dr wants. I think we really are going to have to hold our breath and do it the old fashioned way. By empirical evidence.

If we run the empirical evidence route The tests can be done all over the US and the results returned to a centralized location. Dr’s and scientist’s hate doing this in a “live, on line” environment but we’ll be able to rule it out fast if enough random people are part of the study.

The large elephant in the room is what dosage the Dr’s started out with. It’s either that or pick the standard dose for each, combine them. There has to be data out there?

Personally, I’m still with the President on this one. Inform the patient, Get a consent to use it, then see what happens. It won’t take long to prove or disprove it. There are sick people out there that will jump at anything to get better. It’s always their decision to be a part of the scientific experiment and possibly get better or die in the attempt.

I could be wrong but it has to be dispelled/proven before there becomes a high demand for it.

Personally, if I was that sick, I’d do it for the scientific benefit. Regardless of the possibility to live or die, I’d do it to help rule it out. To many people’s lives could benefit (and I’d have my hopes that I might get better too). I can’t believe there aren’t enough people out there who wouldn’t do this? All I can think of are people who have functional families with young children.

I don’t have anyone who’s going to be at, or cry at my funeral. For me, I’d get to go out as a hero, even if it’s for a simple study.

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