Don’t get me wrong, if your stupid enough to point something at an officer with his weapon drawn, then your dumbass deserves to get shot.
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They are such an eyesore as well !!! Historic downtown looked like shit until the city passed an ordnance making the owners either put flower boxes or curtains around their Machine gun nests.
I took it a step further by simply putting gun ports in all my windows.I am saving up until I can afford the bullet proof glass but for now the AR500 steel plates works well but it isn’t very neat or tidy looking.
FYI , Heads up to all the Americans in this thread.Ace hardware is running their Buy one Get One sale on Claymores next month!!!
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Yes, I took a class on this very subject. I like what Chris Rock says about how to not get your ass kicked by the police. Pretty much the same for not getting shot.
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That is my favorite Chris Rock video. In fact, I posted a link to it on my facebook page last year.
Here’s the thing and it’s real - people (matters not what color) have a verifiable reason to be afraid of police this day in age? Right?
Police have a verifiable reason to be afraid of people behind the wheel of a car, right?
Don’t most cops have dashcams right now? I think they do. Why do most of these people get shot?
Plates and tail lights not up to code! Why the hell can’t they just record the infraction on their camera’s and send them a letter telling them they have 10 days to fix it or they boot their car? Why do all of these people and cops have to die over tail lights and expired plates? I will tell you they don’t!
I am off the soap box, much love.
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They don’t have to die. People need to respect the authority of police. They are TRAINED
to take control of EVERY situation, whatever that entails.
Most people I know and have ever associated with were brought up to respect the Police
and comply with their commands. If a cop goes overboard in any way, we were always
taught to file a complaint AFTER the incident is over.
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On a side note it’s not just a gun you don’t want to pull out on police, know what I’m saying? Eh? 
If your state (like mine) requires you to disclose I agree. Some states do not require you to disclose you have a license/gun.
I (open) carry and based on that picture alone (I haven’t watched the video) I would have certainly drawn and fired.
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Respectfully as I can be in response, I don’t happen to subscribe to the idea a policeman can pull you over for no reason and frankly, they do that frequently.
We have a constitution and if you read it you realize there is very little right they have constitutionally to bother you at all. The law says they have to have reasonable cause and it isn’t always the case.
If you do some research, the last few high profile shootings were guys with records and you have to ask yourself why the cop was there? Well, they were there because they saw the plate and they knew who the guys were.
They know who you are before they ever approach the vehicle. Why should they have that kind of power? When has a man or a woman paid his debt to society when he’s made a mistake or broken the law?
Those cops have a data base with every thing that has ever been written down about you by the court which (again respectfully) I happen to think is bullshit because there is no way that officer can approach you with any amount of respect if you have a record.
He’s approaching that vehicle with all knowledge of you? Is that fair? Do you know who the cop is? Do you know if that cop has harassed women or has a record for roughing people up? No you don’t so you are immediately at a disadvantage and if you have been in trouble with the cops before - you are scared shit less and you are not going to make the best decisions in that state of mind.
I’m sorry Alisa, this system is broken. We need police, but we need them to have boundaries. I was born in a free country and I don’t like the power the state has amassed in the last 20 years. Cops used to be people I would see in a parking lot or open a door at a cafe for. I would smile and talk to them and I was happy to see them. They were happy to see you. The new cops I see are in their early 20’s and they are not public servants. These young cops are scared and on guard and they wont make eye contact with you.
No human being gets to play God over another human being. They do not. That is not what the bill of rights or the constitution says.
This is a hard issue for me because I live in one of the most segregated racist cities in america, Milwaukee. There are people I know and care for who are at constant risk of being killed just in case they reach for their ID too quickly, no matter why they were stopped, no matter what they may have done or not done in their past, all because their skin is darker.
There are others I know and care for, cops who are genuinely trying to serve their community with integrity. @Maureeenie is right, the system is broken. In order to honor the truly good cops out there, we need to stop making excuses for the bad ones. Stop giving them the benefit of the doubt, covering their asses and stop turning a blind eye to the corruption in the system. Part of the problem is the drastic cuts in their education. Barbers and chefs receive more training than police officers. That’s not meant to diminish the skills required in those other professions, it’s to highlight that fact that when you’re expected to make split second life or death choices, you need extensive training. Most of our cops are not getting it, no wonder they’re so easily frightened into killing people.
The other problem is the code of silence covering the abuses in the system. When those officers with integrity try to blow the whistle on racism and abuses in their departments they’re disregarded by those in authority and intimidated by their fellow officers into compliance with the status quo. It all needs to change. And do not buy into the mainstream media accounts showing a handful of folks rioting and assume this represents the actual protesters. Trouble makers are drawn to the commotion of a protest as a cover for their bad intentions. CNN would have you believe that half of Milwaukee burned down last month, no. Its was a handful of places in one neighborhood and the criminals were not protesting, they were using the protests as an excuse.
Imma shut up now and go snooping through random people’s flavor stashes to compile next month’s shopping list.
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Well yeah thats because the video saying we need our stuff go burn the suburbs went viral and so did the graphic videos showing the flames and rioting and people saying their white get them… Obviously those videos paint a small picture and dont show everything that went on its always the crazy stuff that gets posted not quiet non violent protests happening at the same time… forgive my ignorance as im in canada so I havent really followed that whole thing but isnt he young man that turned with a gun and was shot by an officer he knew, if so why were people protesting the shooting or an armed man?
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In this case I don’t think there is anyone who put in the same situation would not fire if someone took a stance against them as shown in the picture. Vape, pencil, anything, you have a split second decision to make that could mean your life, all us humans have the same fear, the loss of our life.
I have a mentally challenged Brother who I love but if it was him in the photo I could definitely see why the cop took the action he did. I have something that really seems to be lacking in society today, Empathy. If all these people who are complaining were put in the same situation a large percentage would take the same action, it is human nature to preserve your own life.
I have seen some disturbing footage on social media, people thinking they can just do what they want when confronting police if they know a camera is rolling. One suspect who was being arrested for domestic abuse telling the officer he is not resisting arrest but doesn’t want to get handcuffed. He kept yelling I am not resisting and am just trying to walk down the stairs while the officer was trying to handcuff him. Of course it turned into a struggle and the person holding the phone was yelling that he is not resisting, not allowing the officer the handcuff is just that, resisting. I saw another video nearly the same thing, people think that now officers have to do what they tell them because someone is recording.
It does worry me about the entitled generation that is growing up now, the “Participation Trophy” and the “You are the most special person in the world” generation. I have learned the most from failure than from success, that is the way you learn what works and what doesn’t. It is always great to have a positive outlook on life but it is also great to hope for the best but plan for the worst. If you grow up thinking your always right then you will have a very disappointing adulthood. Some but not all of these people who are shot by police just don’t comply, they think they can control the situation for there benefit, just sad.
I am in no way admonishing the police by any means, there are just as many bad apples wearing badges, just like in society. In this case though, given the same circumstances, I have a hard time believing that if someone else was put in the same situation as in the photo if they would have done something different.
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I don’t hold anything against any of you guys. I know how the media distorts things. They are masters of manipulating the masses. They will show you the handful of punks yelling kill whitey and rioting, not the hundreds of black, white, brown, red and yellow folks standing side by side, arm in arm demanding accountability and justice in these protests. Our unity doesn’t serve their agenda. They need us to turn on each other so they can continue business as usual. The major issue with the shooting of Mr. Smith is that there IS body cam footage and they refuse to release it. Why? He was a CCP holder so if he had a gun, it was legal. Was he brandishing it? We don’t know. Maybe there were bad choices going on but we don’t know because they won’t release the footage. Why not? This makes us all suspicious considering all the other shootings where the footage was released. This isn’t just harming the family and the community in general, it endangers the cops too by allowing this resentment to build to a violent level.
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My problem with that line of thought is this.
Just because we’ve gotten so spoiled by instant gratification in so many other areas, fast food, on demand directions (gps), on demand movies, music, real time video chat…Internet…What? We’re now automatically supposed to do away with due process?? The ONE THING that usually sorts important misunderstandings out??!!
Folks that are demanding instant release of video etc are doing all involved a disservice. As, if everyone with access to mass media has already formed an opinion and/or made up their mind…There’s no chance in hell of finding an impartial jury. What then? Have a bunch of backwoods neophytes for jury duty?? Seriously. Think about it for a while. I’m sick and tired of the folks behind the scenes pushing their own agenda from both sides. Where the hell is "liberty and justice for all. Not these lives matter, or those lives matter… Or whatever other subgroup you want to identify. ONE NATION. Period.
Folks are getting lost in the amplified outrage, thanks in large part to the media, and losing sight of some basic, yet important points.
BTW, I don’t mean any ill will, nor is my frustration directed at you Z_Hobbit (I know it may read that way). But I’m replying to the topic you addressed, not you as a person.
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But your rationale assumes the officer would need an impartial jury. Why would he need that if the shooting was justified? See what I mean? We can’t make up our minds without seeing it. It’s not about instant gratification, it’s about transparency and accountability. What happens in the absence of these things is we make up our minds that we can’t trust ANY cops at all and that’s not fair either. As I said, I know some really excellent cops who care so much about our community but they’re stuck in this broken cycle too.
No. It doesn’t. It assumes that if someone is charged, they have the right to defend their position.
It has nothing to do with what their job description is. Officer, baker, judge, house cleaner… I don’t care.
The rest of what you go into is part of my point.
That there’s no outrage, because it’s not newsworthy when two individuals murder one another (regardless of reason, or method ). The fact that people can’t see two distinct agendas being pushed is what bothers me most. One from the standpoint of “they’re killing people of color/ethnicity” the other being “there’s too many guns.”
Now ask the question…" Why is that?" And follow that up with" what does each side have to gain?"
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I understand your position, and I respect you for caring enough to even comment. Look at it from the perspective of the good cop who truly had no choice, who knows to the depth of his bones that this footage would exonerate him yet his superiors refuse to release it; basically refusing to clear his name. They’re allowing the speculation and suspicion to grow when they could be, should be supporting him. The Chief said that anyone who’s already made up their minds would see what ever they wanted to see. This hints that the events were not so clear as obviously pointing a gun at a cop. I’m sorry but this is an upsetting situation for me so I won’t be commenting here again. All I can hope is that folks will not blindly swallow the official version of things.
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I totally understand and agree with the overall sentiment of caring about the innocent. I share that with you completely.
I’m just trying to get some folks to do some critical thinking is all (instead of swallowing the spoon fed, poison laced rhetoric). 
hugs you
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Even if you are not required to disclose that you are legally carrying, why would you want to hide the fact that you are from LEOs?
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Multiple reasons: I generally follow the law and if not legally required to do something I don’t do it. Some cops may think you are trying to get out of a ticket or show off, others may go on high alert for no reason just because they now know you have a weapon. I have read plenty of stories of people from MI (disclosure is required here) going to states where it is not required to disclose, they get pulled over and disclose and get an attitude (and ticket) from the LEO.