A lot of work from many folks have gone into this treasure trove of recipes and it shows. It would be wonderful if everybody could appreciate and support that but that is simply an unreasonable expectation. There will always be those who have appreciation for little or nothing. There are always those who the rest of us have to clean up afterwards.
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Total agreement with everything you have said.
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For me ELR is more than the recipe side. In fact thatās the least of it for me and hopefully Iām not in the minority.
You wonāt find any public recipes from me here or anywhere even though Iāve been around quite a while. I mix what I like and I am not one looking for likes or ratings.
That being said this site and the people here have been invaluable for me. At this point in time I am pretty self sufficient thanks to the process and procedures I have developed/learned here. Iām not sure the ground up ability to learn here is equaled anywhere else.
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Nopesā¦ I do not see it as a testing ground.
Itās different because it is the oldest calculator site. Being that it is so old, people come by to take āadvantageā scalp scrape belittle whatever they think they can get away with. Itās not just the drive by remarks but its also the high uppity assumption that no one cares.
I know the work that goes into a site, I also know @daath stays so busy at a lot of times, but he cares as much as we do.
Yepsā¦ or spread it from one platform to the other. totally agree with ya there, @Josephine_van_Rijn <3
eh you arenāt as anal as I amā¦ I have the hater / stalker list to back it upā¦ 
I techy can not go to any other stie, as most do not have the drops per ml function, Sdā¦ and I rely on that to make sure my weights are in check with what I have on paper.
I know he cares, @Dan
I know he created it for us all to have fun, share recipes, perhaps make friends and enjoy a community driven site. I have had chats with him on this. so I know he is aware. I also know he is a very busy man.
Actually that is exactly how I managed to help out is by suggesting the stats being put on each memberās account. I thought it was a good idea and at the time, Lars had time to implement itā¦ so do not think he wonāt listen to suggestions, just sometimes he is not in a spot to do anything about a particular bit.
Amen!!! This is something I am going to work on now. I am seriously working on me myself and my recipesā¦ and I do not care any longer what anyone else does. Mix how you want, if its good for you then good. Obviously this last week has shown me, only the results of my work count but not much as long as others can copy everything but the how from me. Who caresā¦ oh and get bashed for trying to help too. so yepsā¦ Iām getting an attitude once again as well. I do matter, we all do. So I say our ELR matters just as much.
Againā¦ Merry Christmas and donāt let it all bother you Tzā¦ <3 
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I know he does too, but who is @Dan? 
I was hoping to get him involved with the conversation. Iām one of those passive-aggressive people and sometimes I go too far. @daath if you read this, Iām sorry, I have no idea what goes into doing what you do and Iām not sure if it even matters. I just know that the recipe side was looking really good and I didnāt want it to revert back.
Good point.
LOL that is funny.
Merry Holidays everybody.
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ooopsie!!! 
Love ya for this!
Hope you are eating some good stuffs, and kicking back with a tasty vape, Danā¦ Merry Christmas! <3 
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I want to make sure you all get what I was trying to say. Iāve read several passionate posts vehemently rejecting the idea that ELR is a ātesting groundā. I donāt necessarily think they were rebuttals to my post, but I want to make sure I wasnāt misunderstood.
I do not think the recipe side is a silly flippant little wasteland. And I do not think it exists partly to be a repository for a lot of garbage that people wouldnāt publish elsewhere. I simply mean that from the perspective of it being a collaborative, massive DIY community, it can have ātesting groundā aspects. By that I mean it is a great resource available to allow someone to build and refine recipes based on community reaction. Remember, the vast majority of recipe publishers are not forum members.So as far as ELR goes, the ratings and comments are all the feedback they get. I didnāt even know there was a forum for a good year at least.
So, is the recipe side a joke? No, of course not. But from an intertube clearing house for recipe building, sure to me it has testing ground elements.
I still say that commenter was a flippinā wanker.
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If mine are good enough to me to be posted, they go public. Otherwise, works in progress or sacred mixes stay private. I donāt think bad mixes should be posted publicly
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Hmmmm, maybe make a NEW mininum forum post requirement BEFORE you can start posting recipes. Maybe even a manditory āNew Memberā, and āHow we do the flavors hereā posts that have to be read first ?
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I prefer to disregard the whole thing.
You will always have cliques who in choking on their pride and ego will resort to tearing everything else down.
Again, I think ELR stands far above the rest based on the whole not just the recipe side.
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Reminds me. Have not donated in a while. Time to re up!
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I donāt know man. I wasnāt looking for a forum when I started doing recipes here, and I doubt a lot of people would be keen on that. Thereād be a huge drop in recipes as far as numbers and folks who publish them, and I donāt know if he wants that to happen.
Thatās kind of what Iām thinking too.
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Iām fine with that, but what constitutes a bad recipe? Kind of open to interpretation.
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Dammit @anon70102222 What POWER do you have over me. Even when we disagree, I canāt stop liking you !!!
Points well made mate.
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One that hasnāt been tested or refined to me
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I wont say what I think
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This place would be called FLV, not ELR, if you got your way!
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I know what sheās talking about. It was a LONG time ago dammit !!!
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I actually use a lot of data here for the ultra flavors. One could be very surprised at the volume of info if one is searching for something. However, like with everything: take it all with a grain of salt. Too many high handed mixers with flavors I know like the back of my handā¦
and in all honestyā¦ I do use more than even the heavy handed folks. 
by appearances.
In reality tho, and considering I use no flavors that are not heavy concentrated, I under use a lot too.
Yin yangā¦ par for the course, which ever side of the drop one is looking atā¦ for the most par, everyone here is mellow and laid backā¦ even on the recipe side.
Its just the ones that stick out that makes one think.
I would not change a thing.
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An automatic āfixerā for flavor acronymns sounds fine to me but certainly for nothing else. Can you imagine an auto āFix My Mixā? Convenient but no one will learn the art of mixing and there will be no gratification of accomplishment.
I can only speak for myself but I had been registered for years on other vape forums before signing up here. I just wasnāt ready to mix. But when I was I knew I was coming to a site of expertise not a dumping ground of failed testings. I was all too happy to learn and follow protocol in the name of consistency and simplicity. If he/she wants to refer to your single flavor tests as a dump site then let them vape their own dump. The time and effort put into SF testing is, imo, admirable and dedicated.
Iāve donated to ELR and wouldnāt mind paying for full functionality but I hope it doesnāt have to come to that. And I wouldnāt want anything that puts more work on daathās plate.
ETA: I forgot to add. If you want to share any parts of my comments to the aforementioned poster feel free (if theyāre still here).
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