Enforceable Quarantine in US Cities, Yes or No?

Oh I expect it will happen here too… and a lot more.

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What will happen here?

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My lab is shut for the next 2 months.
My friend’s sports bars are closed for yeps 2 months.

I was told last night to expect it all to peek in the next 3 weeks… then you will have a -3 week decline before it is even safe to venture out.

I expect it to get really serious Phil.

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Who told you that, your brother or the smoke shop owner?:wink:

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My boss. :slight_smile:

if you have no income and your bills keep coming, how else are you going to feel?
Not rocket science… unless you do not care.

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So what’s going to get serious? That isn’t already, anyway… Could you be a little more vague?

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I could… or don’t need to be… draw your own conclusions
I think I am at my limit and need to go do something… yard work or check on my neighbors…
something :wink:

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You’re more like a misfortune cookie than anything. You like tapping on fish tanks and watching the poor fish scurry, don’t you?

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Here be the link. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30195-X/fulltext

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Those aren’t real mortality rates though, those are estimates based on people tested positive vs who died. This just means they didn’t test enough. The real mortality rate is estimated to be between 0.8% and 2% - I suspect it’s closer to 0.8%.

Let me explain. Let’s assume that the real mortality rate is 1.95% - and that people take 20 days to die - 10 days to show symptoms and 10 days to die (that is the average, from what I’ve read).
This is a graph that shows estimated infected (based on deaths - blue - delayed 20 days) and number of people tested positive (orange) in South Korea:

If the mortality rate was 1.95% then it would mean that South Korea at some point almost tested all of those infected. But that is not likely - there is most probably still a large amount of people infected that wasn’t tested positive. This is the same graph with the mortality rate adjusted to 0.8%:

And just to compare numbers, here is the same for USA:

Spain:

The world:

So, the real mortality rate is purely guesswork at this point, but some guesses are likelier than others :slight_smile:

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However, while the ~1% mortality rate might pan out for better clinically equipped areas (being relative, as none seem altogether “robust”), the value may be multiplied by several times in other areas ? :thinking:

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Yes, good point. Mortality rates are likely to be different in different parts of the world. Those who prepared and have good healthcare systems (many respirators etc) well will have lower mortality rates.

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Given the scale of our population relative to (some) other countries (India excepted), the Psychopathic Ventilator Gasping Games “lowdown in Trumptown” could have significantly catastrophic effects ? :thinking:

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Well, the whole idea of social distancing, lock downs and hygiene measures was not to prevent infection (which is inevitable in most places that now have the virus), but rather to slow the spread so that the hospitals, the care personnel and the equipment could cope with the number of patients - so yes, places where the counter measures were implemented too late or not well enough will be under extreme strain - some catastrophically so (see Spain and Italy) :frowning:

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Indeed, the (only desperate) hope is to reduce absolute numbers of infection such that the seemingly inevtiable clinical system overloads may claim less lives. It seems to me clear (to anybody not in “public relations” dissemination/consumption) that this pathogen is here to stay world-wide, and likely year-round. It seems that it must/will come down to our “sinking, or swimming” (into “herd immunities”). This bodes horribly for any/all “health care impoverished” areas (like US, which seems doomed by inaction).

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Louisiana just hit a mortality rate of 5% today and is expected to get worse. We are currently at 2% as a country. The county I live in is currently at 1%. Now, remember, the mortality rate is based on confirmed cases and whether you recover or die. The new confirmed cases still have 2 to 8 weeks to do one or the other. If I remember correctly, the Lancet article I referenced said the new mortality figures from China were 20% for Wuhan.

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We’re getting close.

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Personally, I like the pangolin theory.

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Closed cases is where the true mortality rate comes from. Using 0.8 percent and basing it on the known mortality rate and spread of the flu we are still looking at 800,000. That’s assuming that Corona isn’t any more contagious than the current flu outbreak. All I know is that if I’m diagnosed, I’m going to ask if they can throw in a little Lyme to go with it.

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