Flavor BAN!

The Efficient and Effective Management of Political Hypocrisy Depends Upon Public Consent

It is interesting how (in the cases of so-called “Big Cannabis” as well as “Big Tobacco”) the general trend is for large corporations to attempt to concentrate power (and, as a result, monetary profits) by - instead of meaningfully opposing - playing along with government regulation efforts, where the “quid pro quo” is that government will actively act (with or without coherent “rhyme or reason”) to impede and/or decimate smaller sized businesses and amateur (“DIY”) players, in return for allowed sales of such corporations’ pet products funding governments (through sin-taxes, and/or litigation “extortion” settlements with State and Local level governments). Rather than act with a true mission (ie, harm-reduction) protecting Public Health, the result is (predictably) instead a mission to enhance “Public Wealth” (of State/Local government operating funds, that is). In such machinations, inquisitions made to appear as genuine concerns surrounding health and safety, and public “scapegoating” (of molecules, and competent adults who desire to utilize such molecules) rituals are key to “manufacturing consent” (see “Sourcing Mass Media News” under “Five Filters of Editorial Bias”)

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(October 3, 2019): “Vaping health scare takes toll on cannabis vape firms’ stock prices, but many see longer term opportunity beyond crisis”:

State-legal cannabis vape products and the companies selling or distributing them may not be the principal cause of the recent outbreak of respiratory illnesses in the United States, but those firms are feeling the effects nonetheless. … the crisis continues to cast a large pall over the licensed marijuana industry, affecting vape sales and dragging down the share prices of publicly traded vaporizer companies. … MJ vape companies have … taken proactive measures to bolster their customers’ confidence in licensed products. Yet their stock prices also have suffered. … Private companies that aren’t publicly traded also are taking steps to reassure consumers. … Legal vape companies are ultimately hoping for a flight to premium products as a result of the vaping crisis. … Even as states and cities move to ban vaping products, however, consumers are likely to return once things settle down …

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To love the truth is to refuse to let oneself be saddened by it.
-Andre Gide

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Crack CDC Investigation Teams identify yet another Vaping-Related Scourge upon the Homeland

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Here in SC too… it’s everywhere…

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(October 8, 2019): “Montana Governor enacts 120-day ban on flavored vaping products

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(October 8, 2019):
Officials at a Los Angeles city council meeting Tuesday proposed banning all e-cigarettes and vaping devices until they are deemed safe by the federal Food and Drug Administration, according to reports. … Los Angeles County has already banned flavored e-cigarettes and menthol cigarettes, …

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(CNN, October 9, 2019): “‘We Vape, We Vote’: How vaping crackdowns are politicizing vapers

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(CNBC, October 9, 2019):
The acting head of the Food and Drug Administration inspected two international mail centers this week to examine U.S. efforts to seize foreign shipments … federal authorities combat two public health crises: one from vaping and the other due to opioids. … [FDA chief Ned] Sharpless said in a statement Tuesday, “Many of these parcels lack any package labeling, contain products labeled as dietary supplements with hidden drug ingredients, or contain drug products or medical devices that are unapproved or counterfeit.” … Sharpless also said FDA authorities are working with the U.S. Customs and Border Protection to identify potentially illicit vaping products.

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Yeah the bans in 2009 were spectacular too…

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Washington State Board of Health Announcement (October 9, 2019):

Board Votes to Adopt Emergency Rule That Will Ban Flavored Vaping Products

Board members voted today to adopt the emergency rule to impose a ban the sale of flavored vaping products, including flavored THC vapor products, in Washington. So, what’s next? Staff will file a CR-103E to create chapter 246-080 WAC. The rule will become effective immediately upon filing with the code reviser’s office, which we anticipate will happen tomorrow, 10/10. The rule is effective for 120 days. The length of the emergency rule leads up to the legislative session, allowing state legislators to take up the issue in in 2020. Tobacco and Vaping to 21 laws do not go into effect until January. A flavor ban is a prudent preventative step to help reduce youth access and use of vapor products during this outbreak.

Source: https://sboh.wa.gov/

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Updated Draft Rule Language:

Characterizing flavor” means a distinguishable taste or aroma, or both, other than the taste or aroma of tobacco or marijuana or a taste or aroma derived from compounds or derivatives such as terpenes or terpenoids derived directly and solely from marijuana, as defined in RCW 69.50.101(y), or hemp plants that have been grown and tested as required by state law, imparted by a vapor product. Characterizing flavors include, but are not limited to, tastes or aromas relating to any fruit, chocolate, vanilla, honey, candy, cocoa, dessert, alcoholic beverage, menthol, mint, wintergreen, herb, or spice. A vapor product does not have a characterizing flavor solely because of the use of additives or flavorings or the provision of ingredient information. It is the presence of a distinguishable taste or aroma, or both, that constitutes a characterizing flavor.

Flavored vapor product” means any vapor product that imparts a characterizing flavor.

Vapor product” means any noncombustible product that may contain nicotine or a marijuana product and that employs a heating element, power source, electronic circuit, or other electronic, chemical, or mechanical means, regardless of shape or size, that can be used to produce vapor or aerosol from a solution or other substance including any electronic cigarette, electronic cigar, electronic cigarillo, electronic pipe, or similar product or device and any vapor cartridge or other container that may contain nicotine or a marijuana product in a solution or other form that is intended to be used with or in an electronic cigarette, electronic cigar, electronic cigarillo, electronic pipe, or similar product or device including, but not limited to, marijuana-infused extracts or marijuana concentrates for inhalation.

Sell” means to transfer, exchange, or barter, in any manner or by any means whatsoever, for a consideration, and includes and means all sales made by any person. It includes a person engaged in the business of selling vapor products giving or offering vapor products free of charge.

WAC 246-80-020 Prohibition.
No person … may sell, offer for sale, or possess with the intent to sell or offer for sale flavored vapor products or any product that he or she knows or reasonably should know will be used with or in a vapor product to create a flavored vapor product. The foregoing prohibition applies to the sale, offer for sale, or possession with intent to sell or offer for sale flavored vapor products at any location or by any means in this state …

Source - Washington State Board of Health, Oct 9, 2019 Meeting Materials: https://sboh.wa.gov/OurMeetings/MeetingInformation/2019/October9SeaTac

:exploding_head: :exploding_head: :exploding_head: :exploding_head: :exploding_head: :exploding_head:

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Great im going to prison. Lol stupid fucks…I know inslee is running for Prez… I also know he wont be nominated. I wonder if he ciuld run for governor again ??? If so I’ll do everything I can to make sure his campaign loses ( stalking ) is an option as well lol …

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Note that “selling” rather humorously includes “a person engaged in the business of selling vapor products giving or offering vapor products free of charge”. Gifting is made equal to selling. “Can’t even give it away !”

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All I can say it its all methd up!

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on a side note… vapor products… at least they did not say components.

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I think “any product” means component, but I may be wrong. Often am. :sweat_smile:

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I agree. “… Used with or in …”, does seem to be intended to be construed as also including “components”.

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i think we need a translator here… :flushed:

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The language used in the draft (to be made final tomorrow on Oct 10, 2019) rule is consistent with existing:

(19) “Vapor product” means any noncombustible product that may contain nicotine and that employs a heating element, power source, electronic circuit, or other electronic, chemical, or mechanical means, regardless of shape or size, that can be used to produce vapor or aerosol from a solution or other substance.

(a) “Vapor product” includes any electronic cigarette, electronic cigar, electronic cigarillo, electronic pipe, or similar product or device and any vapor cartridge or other container that may contain nicotine in a solution or other form that is intended to be used with or in an electronic cigarette, electronic cigar, electronic cigarillo, electronic pipe, or similar product or device.

Source: RCW 70.345.010 (Definitions)

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Washington State Government “guidance information” relating to current vaping statutes/rules:
https://lcb.wa.gov/vape/vapor-products-law

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Vagueness is a common legal defense which basically means if you have enough money and time to endure the police state while it destroys your life, you might prevail. Should “know or reasonably be expected to know” is a MFer.

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I would say that the language in question, while intended to have a broad scope, is not particularly “vague”.

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I guess save the whales is out… save vaping is in… :slight_smile:

this gives me heart burn.

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House of representatives national legislation attempt to limit nicotine levels in to 20% has commenced. There is no apparent verbiage referring to nicotine base sales (in excess of 20%), but anyone can see that writing is on the wall: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/hr4624/text?fbclid=IwAR1O8DVMnImjoSP8NJIt_uyeznLHj4Tmk6OG0ZjVJr1shRwVDCyvqgvzFzs

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