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Because I don’t want to send you away :stuck_out_tongue: there is no link
It’s just Bernie asking Donnie where his priorities are.

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Well, I found a link that won’t take anyone away very far:

Thing is, they ain’t never gonna sell that thing to the public, if they can just go on vaping are they? Hence the big crisis, hmm?

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They will still be able to market juuls (see Altria) (tobacco only at first), then pay for PMTA approval and be allowed to sell menthol and perhaps an other flavor that is “deemed” a viable harm reduction. But the market has been “cleared” in the meantime of competitors.

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Yeah, but they only own a 35% share in Juul, and a 0% share in most of the world’s vape businesses (Juul are only really huge in the USA) . so…if Juul is the last man standing , they’re chuckling . but if Juul go down along with everything else, then they’re laughing all the way to the bank. The bastards can’t lose.

That little investment in Juul was a small price to pay, methinks, for making the entire vaping industry look disreputable. Half the world now thinks that vaping is just Big Tobacco’'s latest ploy to get teens hooked on nicotine, seriously. I’ve met people who seriously think that; and if you argue about it, they straightway point at the Juul hoo-ha. It’s sickening.

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Regardless (of Juul) they will be fast tracked with the FDA and be the only ones that can afford the process. It will ensure that they have a monopoly on commercially available nicotine devices (&smokes) going forward. Back in the saddle again, so to speak.

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It has always been - and will likely sadly remain - “pay to play” (whatever be the flavor of human endeavors). Perhaps it’s time to “suck it up”, stock up, and survive as well as even thrive outside their “theater of pain”.

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Right. And right. Just pointing out that the manipulation of public perceptions here is infinitely freaking devious. We live in intersting times , as they say. Vaping has fought a brave fight, and done awesomely well to get this far, but the prognosis looks bleak :cry:

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As I have stated, this same CDC/FDA chemical-statist agitprop “artificial reality” machine has already been finely honed in every aspect - with respect to pharmaceutical Opioid medications, and so effectively that our (and your) click-bait “press” managed to hoodwink (even) you, my friend. All of the players in these matters are simply not to be trusted in the least - and they make it as hard as possible to cut through and to counter their “pragmatic” propaganda. Because of that, it’s understandable that they could seem to be “convincing”.

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a sinister but perceptively pragmatic take …

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Decades ago two fellows named Chomsky and Herman borrowed a classic phrase “manufacturing consent

Of particular interest where it comes to the “4th estate” (“press”) are the “Five Filters of Editorial Bias”.

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All true but the line up of freaks to contest his position are no better.

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Flavors of bloviating foolish to be trusted figureheads, showboats, and moral narcissists aside, societies may ultimately “forge their own fetters”. Inhumane acts have a way of abasing even their own perpetrators.

Those who would give up essential Liberty,
to purchase a little temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
-Benjamin Franklin

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We agree there. It’s simply the law of nature. No one goes unscaved. Same as laws of physics. Actions ripple far beyond the anticipated. Not only do they not deserve, but they can not secure either.

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Indeed, the dictum that truth always triumphs over persecution, is one of those pleasant falsehoods which men repeat after one another till they pass into commonplaces, but which all experience refutes.
-John Stuart Mill

Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river.
-Cyril Connolly

Why do we not hear the truth? Because we do not speak it.
-Publilius Syrus

We call first truths those we discover after all the others.
-Albert Camus

To love the truth is to refuse to let oneself be saddened by it.
-Andre Gide

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What is the social control mechanism in effect here? It most certainly isn’t making America great again.

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Paternalism promising comfort on the part of the rulers, fully intended to compel (while speciously purporting and feigning to in some way meaningfully reward) the infantilization of competent adults for the purposes of extracting real wealth in a candy-ass secular feudal state where good serfs imagine themselves being “free”

Of all the dangers that drugs pose, only one requires intervention, namely, mislabeling. All others can be effectively controlled by individuals assuming responsibility for their own behavior. With respect to drugs, the American government has consistently encouraged the public to conduct itself according to the maxim ‘the buyer need not beware’. Why not ? Because the government will protect him. Can such paternalism on the part of the rulers lead to anything but infantilism on the part of the ruled?

Source: Thomas Szasz, Professor Emeritus of Psychiatry, State Univ of New York;
Our Right to Drugs - The Case For A Free Market

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Nobody looking out for me and mine but me. -truth (although I am going to need my social security monthly check in a couple of years)

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All the more reason to get you “off the books”. Smoking should help that.

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nah - not going back there again. My wife has been chewing nicotine gum for 20 years…it sucks but if there is nothing else I would chew that (probably quit nicotine before that though) …never smoking analogs again!

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Time for an Executive Order guaranteeing your Retirement Benefits, then (you write it, he’ll sign it):

(Worth checking out ! ): https://hepwori.github.io/execorder/

:stuck_out_tongue:

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