@fidalgo_vapes it started on the recipes. There were assumptions, even some negative comments regarding the flavors. Darren calmly tried to explain, but some of the comments continued. I started reviewing them, tried to be fair, AND BE on the lookout for clear rebrand/rebottle, which was not the case, and I reported as such.
Once THAT issue seemed to have calmed, then the new (recent) issues/spam/comments seemed to start up.
I think we all know what a troll is.
See @fidalgo_vapes, itâs ONE thing to voice an opinion, disagree with someone, a review, or a reviewer, and thatâs fine. We donât need or want everyone to agree about everything, BUT, there is a LINE that is/was crossed, SPECIFICALLY in THIS CASE.
And as @Jetz has stated, MOST (if not all) of the comments seemed to come from a single user, who has NEVER TRIED THE FLAVORS.
The âcommentsâ started around the FLAVRZ flavors, then shifted over onto the VSO flavors, and then even started to go over to CAPE:LLA. Then, as if THAT wasnât even enough âboom boomâ, he started attacking my reviews, my review equipment, methodology, and THEN, finally devolved, into attacking my ethics, methods, and credibility. THAT, is when it fully landed in âTROLLâ-ing.
becomes liable and slanderous at some degree.
Ok you are pulling me back in. This shifted through all these, as in you saying there is no merit in what our experience with them was to yours. So are you saying those who had a awful experience are wrong and we are just saying it to hurt that said company? Because thats what it sounds like. Because im sorry the vso where not good. They where over diluted. Even at 10% you dont get much. Sound familiar? There are many reviews and opinions outside yours. And lately what you are getting we are not. Im pretty sure in your mind its our error. What i dont get is why you just dont actually answer ?âs instead of side stepping them? But when i read reviews elsewhere and i see things are not inline with one persons and i get different perspectives then i see its more inline with 7 or 8 and not the ones what should i believe. That your review is law? And thats all that matters? You want to do the reviews which you like doing its obv as it does help out some, you should be able to take the ?âs asked and answer them. You shouldnt just dismiss it. There never is real clarity with you when asked. Its always hmm there must be a problem or what is you did. You try to figure out what we did wrong. Never thinking it was possibly what you did or what you used. So yeah whatever just falling on deaf ears. So i dont know why i replied to this kool aid its not slander its ?ing why you are rating them that high when they are not. Sorry to ? How you are getting the results you are getting when its our money thrown in the fking bin
Well, I donât see an air of neutrality in this post alone and a comparison without elaboration does not aid in this.
Is this personally directed or a poorly structured sentence?
I entirely understand your need to preserve your reputation, though do remember that your voice in this space is only through easily misinterpreted text. I think I have mentioned to @SessionDrummer many times that excessive capitalisation doesnât aid impartiality.
Should I now call you Boxxy_316 as you have embraced to label applied to you?
Yes I spotted that thread. Maybe it is time to lock this one and move forward with the new one.
I disagree here. This is a public forum and itâs about DIY and part of that is openly talking about what bothers us, vapers (maybe not all, but some). Allowing to have different opinions about various things is important part of this (if in adult manner) and this thread is precisely about this 
You wouldnât want to be on a forum where everyone agrees on everything, everyone applauds to the same things and worships same gods or where having different opinions is not appreciated.
Well, this thread was created out of drama and now there is a replacement one to engage in a more structured interaction.
I in no way view this as a diminution of expression but instead, a more conducive framing when there is a separation of powers issue.
Well you know me well on those points and this not motivated or structured around such things. For me, this something to ensure there isnât further influence/function creep occurring.
Iâll be the first to say @Psycho_316 is not a psycho. Everyone has their own style and views. Yeah, we had bit of a run-in in the discussion of Lipo batteries and thatâs OK by me. If you canât take the heat, get out of the fire.
IMHO SD I think part of the issue is youâre into your 3rd month of this one vendor with no end in sight. Secret flavors and secret recipes abound. I donât think Iâve ever seen a single vendor even remotely as active as this one. Itâs an anomaly taking you away from your unbiased thoughts.
I canât remember ever seeing, in any of your prior reviews make this comment in your typical disclaimer, which struck me as very odd and could subliminally be supporting Psychoâs thoughts as well.
But it gets worse. You twist our words in the âsmileâ thread, if you were referring to psycho, mikser and myself. None of us ever wanted or asked for MF or FLV level concentrations, and we called them weak which you referred to as ânot the strongestâ. You paint yourself as saintly.
Then in the Vapemail thread, youâre like, I should just send my good buddy Darren a 60ml of Sugarloaf Pineapple to run through his gas spectrometer even though he has a 9.5/10 for his Pineapple. Yeah, thatâs the ticket.
As far as being careful with your promotions to âthe ladyâ you know KC is not a recipe creator, yet look at this.
Itâs all just too cozy. You know I read and âlikeâ most of your reviews, even though Iâve got my valid reasons why I wonât be a customer of theirs. At this 3 month mark youâre coming across as a paid promoter.
Trolling and gaslighting, my simple definition:
Trolling is what I do to the disingenuous ANTZ on Twitter who are gaslighting about vaping 
I will say this i think egos of some have taken a hit because there not the type that want to be questioned in any manner. Everyone took offense and thats the problem i have. Everyone has the feelings hurt. It is obvious some people do not know what constructive criticism. I was doing it in a harmful manner i was trying to understand how so much of what one gets is not the same as many. And in the process feelings got hurt. But as anyone can see in all of this, is i am the bad guy in it. How dare i ? These people. How dare i make my opinion and concerns heard. I think the egos of those said involved might have got to big for their heads. I think what everyone forgot is we are all here to get knowledge. And a better understanding. No one knows it all we are all a bunch of people with opinions. The vaping industry is evolving every year so no one is more knowing then the next. Now am i blunt? Yup. And everyone knows it. But i still offended people that know i am this way. But i guess it wasnt happening to them at times it was no big deal. But all of a sudden my bluntness is a issue. Go figure. Just wanted to get info and it turned to a apocalypse to where we are now. So sorry but not really sorry again. About time this got brought up. I think the whole flavrz thread review and self promoting trying to get people to buy should be deleted. Because thats all about promoting sales room
If you want too. Seeing im being labeled as a troll a shit stirrer all because i was giving my opinion. Only imagine what thise two said about me in their private messages 
I had to check @big_vape as I couldnât remember exactly when I started these reviews, but it looks like 4-6-23 was the FIRST active review. I do agree, that @Jetz is far more active than many/most MFGâs, and have (I think) stated that numerous times, AND, commended him for that. Now as far as the LENGTH of time, or the NUMBER of reviews taking place, it has no bearing on my bias, or unbiased reviews. I still review them, like I taste them, regardless of the number on hand.
I do sometimes state that for the record, and most times, it is/was assumed. I canât remember whoâs comment it was, but after I saw it, I felt compelled to put it in writing, rather than leave it to be assumed, as has always been the case.
BV, I actually went back to the post you quoted, and I donât know what you are talking about.
As for the statement about Sugarloaf, I indeed DID mull over sending Darren a sample to have it replicated, and although I personally rated the Pineapple @ 9.5/10, doesnât change my desire to have, and use Sugarloaf. I think everyone knows where I stand on the Sugarloaf. 
Iâm not 100% sure what you meant by this post. I donât know if she was going to spend $1000.00 soley based on my reviews or not.
I appreciate your perspective, but do not share it. Friendly is one thing, but âcozyâ, I donât think it is.
Well now, you see THAT, is fine, as Iâm NOT here to tell you who to buy from, or who NOT to, all I give it my opinions, and the rest is up to YOU.
Now this, I DO take issue with. The length of time, or the amount of flavors reviewed, has NO bearing on anything I do. Now I see youâve made this âconnectionâ twice, so I will again, re-state MY thoughts, AS the reviewer.
Darren (clearly) has sent me MORE flavors, than I have ever received from one MFG at a time before. This is true. Because of that, it IS taking me more time than normal to get through them. What this does NOT mean, is that anything has, or is changing on how I review them. That is an inaccurate/incorrect assumption. All it means it, it will take me LONGER to do them. Nothing more, nothing less.
I have never been paid, or compensated for ANY review I have ever done. In the past, this was assumed to be common knowledge. If that is not clear, then I should be now.
Well, I donât view you in such a manner, though you are a tad terse at times.
Also, @big_vape thanks for posting up. If you have any OTHER concerns, or things that you need me to clear up, or you are unsure on, please do not hesitate to post back. I appreciate it.
Thanks squirrel for understanding me
Indeed it is. I have a different opinion regarding the Flavrz concentrates than others as I have a different vaping style. Even though the seller sayâs they are good in pods at 30% for oneshots, and the normal concentrates are from 5 to 10% in most cases, I just canât get them to work in my RTAâs.
Now, I didnât and still donât want to get into a debate or argument about this as I have seen how others have gone, so I have dropped it and will just put it down to experience.
Regardless of what anyone sayâs, not all products work for all peopleâŚ
THAT is why we always say that vaping is subjective.
Anyhow, got more important things to worry about as it is only 2 months until our housing situation totally changes and we still have a heap of stuff to do.
