Oooooorah @HVPGH.
Will do Sir.
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Well, I can understand @Psycho_316ās general blunt/terse style and @Jetzās obvious need to defend his creations and their reputation. My key concern regarding this matter is that we generally rely on āVendorā accounts here in order to avoid bias: as it prevents issues like this one.
Obviously I do enjoy the community having direct access to @Jetz regarding flavours and their potential uses but, I do think that clarification regarding the demarcation of roles is needed.
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I know Iām not on this forum they much anymore, posting at least BUT I have to say something. This person was trolling peopleās recipes on ELR. You even commented on the recipe. It was a simple SB custard he bashed and told people not to make it because it was shit (probably not the exact words). Iāve been following this thread, and the other thread on VSO, and felt the need to stay quiet, but this is just staggeringly idiotic. Once a troll, always a troll. Sometimes this forum is toxic which is why Iāve stepped away from it.
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There are sometimes rants or disagreements but Toxic I dont seeā¦We may have a different definition of Toxic , but ime this forum is more helpful than not. I do know these days a lot of people cant take critisism well so they may feel some type of way .
If ever there is Toxicity and you feel something is out of line PM me and ill take a look , Please PM me because i dont see everything so it may be that I missed what your talking about.
I did notice yiu werent around that much lately which I assumed you might of left because of the comments regarding YT videos / Noted etc .Regardless of what it was if its toxic point it out in PM pleaseā¦
This forum should be a safe and comfortable place for everyone to give their opinions and if those opinions arent shared then people should ready to debate it , as long as its appropriate ā¦
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Agreed , Unfortunately I am not able to give jetz a Vendor Title right nowā¦I have reached out to correct this. Ive also created a tbread for Flavrz where they can promote , praise , sell ,run contest etcā¦
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Agree, though if you check any of our responses they have been extremely neutral in relationship to any comparsions to other flavour houses etc. We do and will have an ISSUE with anyone that wishes to TROLL or spread misinformation about our flavours when THEY HAVE NOT even take the time or PUT THERE MONEY where their MOUTH is to come up with THEIR OWN OPINION. It is a bit like the whole REBOTTLING comments that have been floating around for some time.
Yet NONE! NONE! of the people offering these comments have EVER purchased or used our flavours.
If they were simply rebottled then I would ask why are we supplying some of the LARGEST e liquid manufacturers like OCEANIA LABS and large retailers their flavour concentrates and recipe here and OS. Again a cause of if you do not know then say nothing at allā¦ I think as a manufacturer we should point out the miss information in general that is quite prevalent within the vape community.
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My biggest problem with posting my thoughts is I alwsys compare flavors. When im testing say a blueberry for example , in my head im askimg myself would i purchase this again , can this replace something i already like etc etcā¦I cant seem to just reviee that flavor without comparing and sometimes thats unfair lol. Plus I dont review i share my thoughts 
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Although im so far behind on trying your flaves i xan say that i have tried a few that are named similar to others and have assured anyine who asked that i do not think these are rebottled ā¦I did mix 10 up todsy 10mls of each all at 5pct .Giving thwm 72hrs then ill give my thoughtsā¦I have mixed the One Sht SB Milk though at 17pct nd vaped quite a bit ā¦Ill be postimg thoughts about that ā¦
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Trollā¦I wish there was a concrete definition , i have asked people what a Troll is and seems like everyone has a different thought in thisā¦Is a troll someone who voices their opinion and if its not agreed with they are a troll??
Is it someone who just stirs shit to stir shit ??? PLEASE someone anyone define this lolā¦
Gas Lighting is another one that gets to me , i hear people say that person is gas lighting and whats happening is so far fro what Gas Lighting is to me that im like Whaaaaat .
Where am i going with all this 
i have no clue but I have some free time right now so maybe im just rambling or am I trolling 
ā¦Ignore me im in a mood
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We all do based on what you have tasted previously, and is totally natural and fine.
Our issue is when someone has not tasted a flavour from any flavour house then wishes to compare it to it. Based on NO IDEA!!! though what we have found is in some way they are associated with the flavour house they are comparing toā¦ meaning that they generally do not like any new competition or someone doing something in a better, cleaner way etc.
Again only our factual observations and quantifiable information.,
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S#!T stirring is different and generally only a comment done so to create that. TROLLING when someone goes out of their way to state facts that are not facts, it is more like DEFAMATION and could EASILY be pursued as that.
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That percentage is fine on a RTA or RDA though all the Flavour Shots are made to be used as a commercial juice which ALL MANUFACTURERS run at between 22-28% for Fruits and 25-35% for creams etc.
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Thats all I useā¦I went 17 bc its easier to add then take away ā¦
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Ok yeah i did as it was the fourth recipe i tried of his. And the first 3 where meh to ok. And i ? Wether or not he even steeped these recipes he was throwing up. So i called it out. Literally a guy devoted to custards churning out recipes like a mcdonalds does fries is probably not letting them steep out. So if calling shit out how they are seen is being a troll then in your view i am a troll. But again you yourself do not take criticism well and because of this when someone forms a opinion or disagrees with you, your feelings get hurt easily. And that is fact. So im glad i didnt ? Some of the recipes you did when i tried them as id be more of a troll. Because again you cannot take criticism. But i didnt because how you are and im sure you understand whats good on your setup is not always good on everyones. I can honestly say the setup i was using 3 years ago when i made a few recipes i thought where good turned out to be not so good on the new stuff i moved too.
Now i have tried flavors off your reviews and i was shocked on how different we tasted them. But again i gave the benefit of the doubt of possibly your setup is giving you and how your tastes are.
Now this got out of hand because i made a valid statement but a certain vendor had his feeling hurts because i said something to help another member of the community. And im not enjoying the way a certain two people are pushing this product. We are not here to be pushing merchandise and trying to get sales. And i think thats the problem right now. Since these have hit this forum i have seen these two push these and throwing up recipes and saying how good they are and telling people to try it. For me saying something about it is not a Troll in my views but to some it may be as its against them. But this forum has gone tits since the vendor showed up.
Now last but not least. We have this promotion going on with these concentrates that where designed and made to be used in a commercial settings for mainly pods. So im not bashing him at all about his flavors being junk as i havent tried them and wouldnt waste a dime on them as i dont use pods. But i know as well as many others here do, having to mix at such high ratios So trying to push them to the most of us that dont buy commercial liquid why whould i want to buy commercialized concentrates designed for high mixing ratios. So by me saying that makes me a troll so be it i really dgaf. Im not sensitive so if you dont like my opinions or what i believe is wrong so be it. Have it out with me. Im big boy i can handle it. Im not here to be liked im here to voice my opinion and concerns. I think the problem right now is too many have their heads up in the clouds and are not seeing whats going on here and are just getting on the train without thinking. I have numerous times based purchases on peoples reviews and it bit me in the ass. A lot of wasted money and i know there are a few who are their with me. So from now on ill keep my mouth shut and let the sheep continue to follow. Sorry for calling out the elephants, but im not sorry. So as @Lynda_Marie marie calls me, i say thank you from your #1 troll
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Ok now you again. You have put your hands in everything as a vendor and you have been doing a shit ton of self promoting throughout forum like a digital pimp. Im not hating on you or your product. Im hating on the fact that you are pushing it like a drug dealer. I have never in the years on this forum seen a vendor act like you. And honestly your behavior has put me off the way you are promoting it for sales. This has not become about the community it has become about sales. And thats the issue. A reviewer has become a salesman throwing out recipes of your and promoting for you. The whole review on these have been tainted because of this. Because it gives the representation that someone might have skin in the game. And for me to be labeled a troll for it is laughable. I ask about the setup of the testing device and a get a answer it has no bearing. And thats what really got me. And then it hit me that there is a collaboration and promoting from two. I understand you cant help but defend your product. But you go about it in a unprofessional manor. You get defensive and start name calling and profiling people because they go against what you are trying to do. So be it. Last time i checked, on this forum we are all entitled to a opinion and thats what i did. The review of your product ill take with a grain of salt. And the fact i heard from others who have tried them id say sessions reviews have been inflated. Because they are not getting what he is. And that is fact. And again it would go to the flavor chucker he is using. Im sure we would probably feel the same way if we all used the same device but we dont. But in reality if im a negative troll you have been a self promoting troll that cant stop. Cash is king and everyone else is peasants. I hope the few stop drinking the kool aid from you two and open their eyes.
Love your favorite troll
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Im a troll because i go against what they believe. And i call out bs. And that is the true definition of it. Go against anothers beliefs and disagree with them. So if these snowfalkes want to call me a troll let them. My feelings are ok. It doesnt bother me bud. Just let them do what they do. I have been called a troll with flat earth idiots because i gave them facts and they still wont believe it. Its the same here you point out facts that are there and they will say you have no basis to say what you have. Or they get defensive and throw the troll statement around like throwing food to lions. Its just wrong in every aspect the way everything has gone here recently. This forum has become a sales site for flavrz and you are not allowed to make statements on fact because you get attacked or get dismissed. It really does remind me of the flat earth group i was in. And i did that for fun to take the piss. Now i am apart of forum which is about vaping it it has become very similar. Im pretty sure this is not what the creator had in mind.
Its now just dont say anything drink the kool aid and do not offend anyone. Ill just leave the wolves to slaughter the pigs and say nothing. God forbid anyone voices concerns anymore or goes against someone. Last time i checked there are no gods, well superstar vape gods that is. From now on ill observe and read just not going to get involved. Way too many 
type here these days. Didnt want to offend anyone more then i already have 
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Thank you for your comments @Lynda_Marie, I would hate to see you, of all people pull back because of a member or two, but I DO understand your point. Honestly I think that ELR is/was/is better, when you ARE hanging out. 
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And there the most important point is ^^^^^.
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They have privately buddy so your are wrong
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@fidalgo_vapes, Iām not here to butter your bun, BUT, perhaps BECAUSE of your ācomparisonsā, if you DID review, it would be even MORE interesting to peopleā¦
Reviewing can, and is a PITA some of the time. Do you guys remember a few years back, when we (and I) were reviewing hardware weekly, and there popped up the whole, āTeam Free Shitā thing ??
I do. I forgot who started it, but it actually pissed off MOST of the reviewers here. The premise was that somehow, receiving a free mod or tank, that maybe was worth $75.00 (more or less), was the ONLY issue or fact. Completely ignored was all of the TIME and EFFORT to review, photograph, write up, and post the review(s). Itās a WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT when YOU are the one putting in the time, and effort.
#FreeStuff LOL, ā¦ right.
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