I’m very addicted to nicotine, i don’t smoke a real cigarette since years, but i’m really addicted.
I’ve used a nautilus with some good italian NET tobacco. Problem is that i’m not satisfied at all. I’ve started e-cig with Juul. I love Golden Tobacco juice.
Now i’m back to Juul because i can’t find something similar to that flavour. It’s not sustainable i’m spending 250€ a month.
I’ve discovered your forum in an italian forum, and 2 users ( @Iv3shf , @anon84779643) of this forum are in that discussion about juul rich tobacco clone, but i don’t like that juice.
I’ve tried to understand what flavour i can taste, i found out that maybe some coffee is present i can taste it. But maybe someone here already tried to re-create it.
@the_pelatino welcome to ELR, and @Iv3shf really knows his baccos, and I"m sure he’ll chime in. I wish I used Juul’s and/or knew what Golden Tobacco tasted like so I could help you.
You are lucky, because if you taste it and like it, you’ll spend your payroll.
It’s really hard describe that flavour. It’s not sweet, it has some chemical and leather smell, it’s also spicy. But it’s really different from “Rich Tobacco”, because it doesn’t have that “creamy” taste that i hate.
The biggest problem with e-cig for me is the sweet. Sweet base, sweet flavours everywhere. I know that the base it’s sweet because of VG, but Juul managed it very well. It’s not about benzoic acid and salts, because i tried to use nic salts base, it’s sweet. Less than normal base, but it’s sweet
That was my first choice, there are good quality products. But i can’t find something that i like to vape as much as juul. Oriental is my favourite, most of the others remember me pipe/cigar, or an ashtray.
I want a more acidic, not too sweet (just to “round” it up), no smoked, no ashtray, tobacco. I’m ordering some correctors for sour and bitter in the meanwhile
Welcome to ELR @the-pelatino, I can’t help but I know a man that might be able to as he specialises in tobacco recipes… @SquirrelSmash can you give any advice here please?
Well I’ve never used a Juul but I’ve looked into this juice quickly and it is a light blend with low ash and a salt-B base. I’d need to know the tobacco style itself or, what @the_pelatino prefers as this seems to be a very lightly flavoured recipe. As such, It would be a rather simple recipe where the tobacco style is the key to it.
It’s the problem with ‘tobacco’ in a flavour profile: this can range from honeyed and chocolaty with acidic notes (a pressed Black Burley with Virginia and Perique) to a spiced fruit and wheat (an Irish cased Virginia flake).
The stupid things about my taste and this juice…it’s chemical, it has some notes similar to that typical “creamy” american blend like rich tobacco, but this creamy feel is smashed by some chemical, acidic smell. I can’t understand what it is…i can feel some coffee or fruit like peach, mango, watermelon. I also noted that my salt base is not salt b and i can’t find here salt b. Maybe is the benzoic acid?
@the_pelatino welcome to ELR, aka “the rabbit hole”. Thank you @SessionDrummer I’m a bit late coz I was wondering all over Europe… nice trip btw. @the_pelatino I’ve read about your “quest” unfortunately I guess the most of us don’t care too much about off the shelf juices, Juul unfortunately for you is on the top of that list, I’m no exceptions.
Back to our quest… Juul Golden tobacco, we could try to understand the profile, not too sweet, chemical, acidic, coffee (burnt nuts) spicy, bit complex profile and producer hardly ever use complex profiles, it boils down to three ingredients usually
If we try to undestand it by the name itself, we’d all say it’s got Virginia inside, you’re saying it’s closer to Rich Tobacco so I’d agree with @IcePickAbortion TPA Turkish(chemical stinky…) rather then Virginia, the smoothness is given by a triacetin based flavour (FA MTS or TPA Smooth, two classics that I always use as blenders with baccos) to that I’ll add either FLV Sweet and smokey (or a dash of AP) and or Classic cigarette, to get rid of the sweetness, you already know that the go to is FA Bitter Wizard (malic acid…) but it might mute the juice if not used properly, be careful, go light with that one, hope this helps a bit, but don’t know Juul’s Goilden Tobacco, so those thoughts could be misleading, but it’s my 2c…
@JiM210 I don’t Juul, BUT, I can make an educated guess. Not only do (most times), PODS/MTL require much higher flavor percentages, by nature of their design, but higher NIC levels would ALSO require higher flavor levels as well.
Nicotine salts behave slightly different from freebase, but nicotine wether it’s salt or not does affect the taste, the point is oxidation… when exposed to light, nicotine starts that reaction, and yes, it does change the taste.
For better or worst? It depends on your mix, none really benefit from it (arguable…but I’m not starting that…) sometimes tobaccos do (the plant itself got nicotine anyway) and if you do a gin and tonic or mixes like that, it might benefit, cream and similars, IMHO not really.
On the one that must not be named, the juice is in a closed enclosure, not exposed to light (and black if I remember correctly) , so I don’t think the taste changes much over time.
Thank you very much! this is a really great community!
I think maybe is the benzoic acid, not the nic salts by themselves.
I looked at TPA flavors but the price of the shipping is ridiculos: 30$ of liquids, total with shipping 150$.
I ordered some liquids in italy. I noticed that Oriental tobacco by itself it’s not good, stinks and it’s too much dry. Juul has some “flowers” taste on top of that dry tone.
I’m experimenting with pre-made liquids now, to have less variables. I’m mixing them to find a combination that i like, but we are far from juul taste.
For sure, this place can trigger a buying rush of liquids
