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Shipping cost for 1 gallon USPS priority was $35.00.I checked all the options and found UPS ground for $20.00 so I went with that.
I can live with that , a little over $60.00 for 1 gallon of base that already has 3mg NicSelect nicotine added.
If it works as planned ,I would gladly pay the added costs associated with your product due to the time saving.

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Here are some other interesting links on the product Propanediol:

http://www.duponttateandlyle.com/sites/default/files/Zemea%20USP%20NF-Product%20Data%20Sheet%200815.pdf

http://www.duponttateandlyle.com/sites/default/files/PhysicalProperties-Zemea%20USP-NF%200815.pdf

http://www.duponttateandlyle.com/sites/default/files/130000034418%20ZEMEA%20Propanediol%20US%20GHS%20SDS%2020150619.pdf

Seems like there are lots of uses for this product. :grinning:

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2nd link says good for 2 years if in sealed container.

Good info Thanks !

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I use mainly tanks myself, and have never had a dry hit from using juices made with VaporBase. I use both pre-made coils and RTAā€™s. Kanger subtank mini with both pre-made and the RBA head, Uwell crown with pre-made .25 SS coils, Atlantis 1 and 2 with pre-made coils, Griffin RTA with dual claptons and cotton wicks, Smok TFV4 full-size and mini with their pre-made coils and my own on the RBA heads, 528 Monster v2 and v3 with single coils in both vertical and horizontal setups, and some others I canā€™t remember right now.

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Yeah USPS is no good for shipping heavier items. Theyā€™re great for light packages though. $20 for a gallon via UPS is decent in my mind from a consumer perspective. And like you said, even after the shipping costs youā€™re only looking at .017 cents per ml, and thatā€™s with the Nic already added in.

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We have specific rules??? I thought it was just ā€œBe Excellent To Each Otherā€.

I didnā€™t think it was too spammy. And if Iā€™m not mistaken did someone invite you to come make a post here, so that really makes it not spam, IMO.

Also, on my screen it just says temporarily flagged. Give em a bit and either JoJo or Daath will get it sorted Iā€™m sure.

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Ha I donā€™t know what the exact rules are here, but it was flagged for being ā€œspammyā€ and too promotional. Most forums donā€™t allow direct advertising unless your a sponsor, so I figured it was the same here.

But yes, someone did ask a bunch of questions about VaporBase, including pricing, so thatā€™s why I posted that reply. I think the mods then took my reply and created a new thread out of it.

Good to know you can still see it on your end, I thought only I got notified. I did try and edit it to remove the links, but maybe the mods can sort it out since it seems like relevant and requested info to me.

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Yes, let them take a look at all of the posts. It was all answers to our questions. Maybe just because you answered so many so quickly? We ask questions and talk with other vendors about their products too and itā€™s always been allowed.

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If it fits it ships!:grinning: The flat rate box is great for shipping heavy items , ask my mailman.I get lead delivered in medium flat rate boxes , they weigh between 60-63 pounds.Do they have any gallon jugs that will fit in the flat rate boxes? I am sure the 1000 ml will fit and that should cut the shipping price way down and perhaps boost sales.Speaking of boosting sales , a nice 15% discount for our members would help as well!:+1:
No , my mailman doesnā€™t hate me.I cast bullets for him and give him cash inside a Christmas card every year. :gift:

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i think anyone who feels this is too expensive should buy commercial juice for a month and do a price comparison. You can make between 126 and 160 30ml bottles with a gallon of that nic base depending on flavorings. Thatā€™s just under 50 cents / 30ml.

Right on! Iā€™m liking that you come from practical experience. But enough of thatā€¦letā€™s see some recipes!!! :slight_smile: J/K, but no, really I want to see something from the mind of Evan!

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The post youā€™re referring to is the one I moved here to the vendorā€™s section and is the post at the top of this thread. I donā€™t think any others have been hidden or moved. Let me know if there are.

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Thanks Evan for taking the time to answer all of the questions everyone had. My only concern after doing most of my mixing at max vg was the viscosity issue after adding flavorings. I am going to order the free sample and give this a try, I am trying very hard right now to get away from PG altogether by using Real Flavors VG base flavorings. If this base brings the flavor out better I can see myself switching over to this.

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To take full advantage of this, Iā€™m guessing the best course of action would be to order something close to the strength you vape. Ordering at 100mg is usually the most cost effective when ordering nic, but at the small amount youā€™d use with this, youā€™re getting hardly any PDO and it kind of defeats the purpose of using VaporBase. I suppose you could get a gallon of VaporBase at 0mg and some nic base at 100mg somewhere else and use VaporBase like you would regular VG.

So, from an purely financial point of view, ordering VaporBase and adding flavor or using in place of VG is definitely less expensive than buying retail juice, but not as cost effective as ordering a regular nic base, PG (or not), and VG. The biggest thing is just that itā€™s nearly impossible for consumers to get ahold of USP grade PDO at this point, leaving this as one of our only options if we want to include PDO in our mixes.

Fortunate that Liquid Labs is offering this opportunity, but unfortunate that we donā€™t have more choices. One of the best things about DIY is being able to have complete control over everything that goes into your liquid. Not just which ingredients, but how much.

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I think it may end up that someone finds a source for this possibly thru the DIY cosmetic industry that is actually USP FCC grade. It would seem the major manufacturer (DuPont) of this product wants to distance themselves from the Vape industry and I understand that with all of the FDA BS going on.

I totally agree with you and hopefully this will change in the near future.

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Nice! Care to share a link on those Chinese flavors? Iā€™m all about new flavors :slight_smile:

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I went to their site on FB and started talking to one of their respresentive Jenny
Their flavor site is huge and can be confusing you want the PG based one.
Tell Jenny your making e juice & sheā€™ll make sure you get the right flavor as they have baking flavors too. I paid for my via PayPal.

http://www.duomeiflavor.cn/

http://www.jenny@duomeiflavor.cn/

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@VaporBase I would like to see a few screenshots of the ELR calculator when using VaporBase.
If I get 3mg VB and want a 70/30 3mg nic mix, do I leave the calculator set for 0% nicotine
and 0% PG and 100% VGā€¦then add my flavoring?

Iā€™m thinking of ordering 6 mg so that when the flavors dilute it, I can just add a bit of straight VG to bring it right down to 3. Iā€™m not quite ready to go under 3mg yet. Hereā€™s what I came up with. I set the nic base as 30/70 (which as I understand should be similar to the viscosity of the liquid labs vapor base), and then with 15% flavor (pg or pdo based) and added vg, the end result should still be the same viscosity as a typical 30/70 pg/vg liquid. Hopefully that makes sense.

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Iā€™ve been doing some thinking on this. Really, why does viscosity matter to us anyway. I had to think back. People initially wanted higher VG for clouds and also to minimize PG as so many people are sensitive to it. As that happened, tank manufacturers started making attys and RTAs with ever-larger juice holes/channels to accommodate the thicker liquids until now where we find most everything coming out with massive juice channels. I see this evolution in gear as not so much trying to keep up with the thicker juices as it is keeping up with higher power than was widely needed say as recently as 5 years ago. Because 10 watts would fry a wick in the old days, 20 would kill the coil many times, even with thinner juice.

@wvsanta Iā€™ve read about your PG sensitivity and the distilled water you add to think your liquid. My guess is (assuming the Vapor Base is not an irritant to you) that youā€™d be happy with the viscosity and how you no longer have to add dw. I think we all could care less about viscosity for the most part if itā€™s not so thin it floods our tanks. Drippersā€¦well who cares at all, right? So then it comes down to vapor production which, letā€™s face it, is extremely important to many people. Thatā€™s why I knew the vaporless e-liquid would be a bust because thereā€™s just something satisfying about a cloud. Everyone has their ā€œhappy cloudā€ volume. Bottom line is, if vapor volume is unaffected then I think the base may be a wonderful change, especially for those with sensitivity or allergies to PG.

Want to see more thoughts I have on the cloud? See this post from three years ago. Oh how fun it is to go back and see what you used to think compared to today :slight_smile:

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I think thatā€™s what Iā€™ll do as well. Only I think Iā€™m gonna put the base as 100% VG since Iā€™m less concerned about viscosity and more about the actual % of PG in my final liquid. For my purposes thereā€™s ā€œPGā€ and thereā€™s ā€œNot PGā€ with PDO being in the ā€œNot PGā€ category. :stuck_out_tongue:

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