No it’s just this one that Imm getting the notifications from. Thanks for putting it in the right spot for us.
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Even better, you could use their new PDO line! That way the flavors are enhanced better than when they’re suspended in VG, and it matches our base liquid perfectly for a truly PG-free experience.
So far we haven’t had any complaints about the viscosity from anyone that’s used it. I personally think it’s perfect, but that is subjective of course. If we do end up getting a lot of people who want a thicker, more “max VG” style base, we can create a thicker version of VaporBase that would fit their needs. But I want to see how everyone likes our main viscosity first before we move on that idea.
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We definitely have a lot of people buying 100mg VB, and then a larger container of 0mg VB to mix with.
I hear your point about the customization of base liquid ratios, and I definitely get it. So far it hasn’t proved to be a major issue, and I like that people are embracing the idea of a base liquid being a base liquid. Not a bunch of individual ingredients they have to buy and mix in order to create a base liquid.
The goal was to create a product that anyone could use as soon as they buy it, not something that requires a lot of “assembly”. Once we start adding flavors to our lineup, I plan on premixing those flavors and offering them in separate bottles along with the base. That way people can buy as much base as they need, a couple pre-mixed recipes that are proven to be delicious, and then mix up a bottle whenever they want in under 5 minutes.
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Let me first apologize in advance as I tend to ramble, so it will not insult me at all if you skip over most if not all of this post 
@24 hours, I have been vaping my first 2 testers of Vapor Base for about 6 hours now. I started with 2 single flavors that I like stand alone and vape regularly and recently, so that comparison would be fresh in my mind. I didn’t want to use complex recipes for testing, to make judgement of steeping simpler, as we all know single flavors tend to steep faster. I also avoided creams as they take longer as well, and coconut as it tends to increase vapor production. Tested both on COV Vengeance tanks with new coils.
Now I always mix my liquid at 30/70, as I have found that to be my sweet spot. The Vapor Base looked very similar in viscosity to my usual, maybe just slightly thinner than usual. It tastes clean and slightly sweet, as I would expect from higher VG, and wicked equally as well. The vapor produced seemed to be on par with my usual 30/70 mix, nice and thick, dense clouds. I am a firm flavor chaser, not a cloud chaser. So I can’t say much towards cloud chasing results.
It was very very easy and fast to use, and I will definitely be buying more in the future. For a lot of reasons. Ok, spoiler alert…rambling about to commence:
I used the manufacturer specific gravity in the settings of the calculator, and chose max vg, and used the same weight as VG in mixing. It was very simple.
I was amazed! at the flavor on the 24 hour mark. It was almost too strong and slightly overflavored (apparently not a real word per spell checker, but it is now). There will definitely be a learning curve with the PDO, but on my next tester I am going to reduce my normal recipe flavors by 20% to start. The strength and depth of flavor at 24 hours is at least equal to a 2 week steep when mixed with my original 30/70. I’m not sure if it’s because the PDO carries the flavor more intensely, or because it actually steeps faster, but I can see myself saving money in the long run and I will be using reduced percentages to achieve the same results.
My assumption is that if the flavor deepens and strengthens with longer steeps as they usually do, those I mixed yesterday will be unvapeable with a 4 week steep, which is my normal minimum steep. I set aside the rest of the 2 testers I made to try again in 2 weeks, so around the 16th. It will be interesting to see what happens. Meanwhile, I am going to mix a few more testers today with a little more complex recipes, including some custards. My addiction is definitely custards. And of course the difference in flavor after 4-8 weeks steep is drastic with custards. I am excited to see what the Vapor Base with do to the steep times with those.
My only problem I can see is that I have a full unopened gallon of VG, which is enough to last me 9 months or better. 
I hate to just waste the money, but I can see definite benefits to switching to Vapor Base. Even without my chronic sore throat from the pg, the reduction in steeping times and flavoring use is a huge benefit to using it. I don’t know yet if my sore throat will have any relief from the PDO vs the PG yet, as it’s too soon to know, but I am hoping it will resolve it over a period of time.
Oh, just in case anyone wanted to know what I used:
FA Oba Oba at 7%. Vaped in the Vengeance on a .8 ohm coil at 27 watts. Flavoring was too strong on this one, a little too sweet also. This is the normal percentage I use with my 30/70 blend though. Flavor is definitely amplified using the Flavor Base.
RF Bread Pudding at 12%. Vaped in a Vengeance on a .2 ohm coil at 35 watts. I like my bread pudding a little warmer 
I normally like this bread pudding stand alone at 15%, but I reduced it to 12% based on Walt’s (Real Flavors) feedback on the PDO flavors he released. I thought I’d test it, and I would say it was equal at 24hrs steep to 15% at about a 2 week steep in a 30/70 mix in strength of flavor, but slightly bitter and chemically. I’m assuming because it’s too high of a percentage, but it may very well be that although the flavor steeps stronger faster, it might need more than 24hrs to get true blending of more complex flavoring? And I would reduce the flavoring again if I mixed again, it was that strong. Maybe even to 10% for a S&V or 8% if I’m steeping for a month. Who knows, just conjecture right now until more testing.
Rambling over now 
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First , Thank You for the detailed write up of your experience.I will be following your results to give me a better idea of where to start with the LL.
I also mainly vape the custards , creams , and desert type flavors so any help will be greatly appreciated.I have my reservations about it speeding up the cure time of Capella Vanilla Custard V1 but I am hopeful. I do hope the Bread Pudding settles in as that is one of my favorites as well.
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Excellent! I’ve been waiting for a ELR member’s firsthand account. I’m more enthusiastic than before reading it! Thanks for the time you took to share with us.
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Great detailed report of your findings Thank you for taking the time to test and share your results with us.
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This is what we are seeing here. I was so excited that I bought a semi truck load… Oh accounting is going to be pissed
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My sample is on it’s way. On steeping… I would surmise the the “carrying” of flavors is not an indicator of the flavors also expiring faster. The reaction we see as darkening (“Maillard reaction”) during the steeping process is likely not linked to the boost in flavor. Visualize: flavor molecules are actually “cooking” as they steep, more like chemistry between the extracts and nic than their bonding to the glycol (transport).
This will be a critical evaluation for Commercial ejuice as it could shorten shelf life. I predict it is not true. Might drop any heating process (Warm UC bath) as a part of testing or better yet do both for comparison. If this stuff can cut steep time and flavor %s it’s about to be a revolution up in this B!
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And furthermore…
You see how this works? Back when I was a young sprout I tried my hand at insurance sales. One of the things I was taught is often people will buy based on the approval of others. Your neighbor buys something, you’re less hesitant to try it yourself. So I’m caving to the whole process and ordered a gallon of the 0 nic and a free sample of the 3mg.
Too bad sales in my business don’t work that easily!
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Still watching not purchased yet. Please let us know about your test. I’ve never been one of the hip click kindof person. Not too happy with change when what I’m doing now works. If it’s not broke don’t fix it. However a couple people whom I trust have purchased and hopefully they have positive feed back. Can’t wait. Waiting for the new to wear off…
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I hear ya brother full steam ahead. I did just order the free sample and we will see how that goes first. I still have concerns about using a base as thin as this is described to be.
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@MysticRose Please don’t ever apologize for rambling… the best segments of truth can be found in between the lines of normal reflection. (I’m paraphrasing Shakespeare on this one, but you get the idea)
I’m starting to get more and more excited as I’m waiting on my 1000ml bottle to arrive, and I would love the opportunity to share some of the results with you guys as well. I’m trying to coordinate with @Walt_RealFlavors to grab some PDO flavoring since his business is almost walking distance from my office.
Half of the fun for me, not only is the flavors, but getting them to work… some of the biggest questions I have is how to use flavor enhancers with the VB mix and do they work as predictably as they do with PG and VG. Time will tell… but I have an RDP, and a SMOK TF-RTA coiled and wicked - ready to go when the components arrive.
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OK. Mixed up a small bottle of Third World Custard, a popular and well loved custard last night. As well as Pistachio Fluff Ambrosia, which is fairly complex with around 10 flavors or so. Dropped the flavoring on both by 20%. Figured I will give them at least 3 days to steep before trying.
I’m hoping to find the steeping time much reduced, I really don’t think they will be ready in 3 days. But even 2 weeks would cut the time in half for my much loved custards and desserts. We shall see…
Has anyone else received their samples and/or purchases yet and tried the Vapor Base? I’m curious to see what other opinions are on it and what discoveries are made 
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I have received my sample but haven’t had a chance to try it out yet. I’m up to my ears in juice and 5ml sample testers but I’ve got more I need to do. Hoping it’ll happen next week.
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Today is a Dump and Clean day for me where I’ll go through some of my hideous creations and dump down the drain, clean the bottles and be ready when my product arrives. Will make several SnV that I like so with luck I can chime in soon. Depends on how fast the stuff gets here. [quote=“wvsanta, post:132, topic:67470”]
I still have concerns about using a base as thin as this is described to be.
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Going out on a limb here bud - I be you’re going to love it. For whatever reason you’ve added distilled water I’m thinking you’ll be thrilled with it…just going off what I’ve read. Hope my hunch is right.
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Lars, are you planning to make a Vapor Base selection in preferences that can be used in place of VG and PG for base liquid?
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I am expecting to receive mine tomorrow. I ordered the 6mg nic with plans to split it 4 ways (end result = 3 X 10 ml @ 3mg and 1 x 15ml unaltered at 6mg) and add some VG to the 3 5ml 6mg samples to get to 3mg …with enough room for flavoring. That should give me a good idea re: viscosity and flavor with/without VG.
@MysticRose has good suggestions along with @SthrnMixer with the goal of testing to determine how it also affects steep time. I’ll probably make a Grant’s Custard with the 15 ml 6mg unaltered …a Grant’s Custard with 1 VG/PDO 10ml 3mg and some SnV with the other two. Agree with the drop of flavor % by 20% hmm maybe I’ll make a Grant’s Custard @ full % with one. The Revolution starts NOW~
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I ordered a sample on Wednesday, so I’m hoping it’ll show up any day. Probably won’t have time to do any tests til next week, but as soon as I do I will post up.
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