Smoky, a couple of weeks ago I lost the ability to access the forum in a logged-in format (even though I was definitely logged-in to my ELR account). Conversed at length with Lars (bless his heart), but nothing we did fixed the strange issue. Around one week later (a week or so ago), things suddenly worked again [with no changes on my end, and (it appears), no change on the forum server end]. Stepping back made me realize that I’ve said most of what I know/think. Lurk a bit, but am personally more interested in technologies other than synthetic flavorings - as those are the things that I directly concern myself with the implementation of.
I have not yet expired from, “chunks of particles clumped together in lungs, from a 60yr old man that used net tobaccos.” Double filtering, eventually down to a 1.5 Micron acceptance-size, may indeed be helpful.
Perhaps… however I hope you know… you were missed. I was wondering. Happen to enjoy our conversations, Raven… so big hugs and happy what ever it was, you are I hope back again!
I wouldn’t suggest using marlboros for NET with all that crap added to it.
I’ve lost my appetite for Pipe tobacco NET and have been using cigars only.
It provides a liquid that is a lot cleaner than from Pipe, so not as much cleaning required, and the taste is awesome.
I have given up recreating tobacco’s I used to smoke a long time ago. Wipe the disk, start afresh and create something new has become my motto.
Otherwise you end up looking for the Holy Grail and I’ve lost my sword
In my limited experience, it certainly seems like the tastes of pyrolysis/combustion of tobacco leaves (rarely not also involving some additives of various sorts and purposes) are not what one gets (vaping NETs). The smell aromas (from my atomizers) of NET brews happen to have a way of reminding me of the aroma of (unsmoked) Lucky Strike cigarettes - but the (NET) “taste” experience is something different than “smoking” - just a way for one’s chemo-receptors to better tolerate Nicotine, PG, and VG that is largely absent of what are highly characteristic tastes of various foodstuffs (which I know many folks do rather like, themselves) - while still reflecting (some) of the characteristic flavorings added to (pipe, more so than cigar ?) Tobacco.
Perhaps less of the Sugars often in Pipe Tobacco blends present to glop-up wicking materials when they “caramelize” upon heating to ~160 *C ? In such a case, no filtration of (such as my 1.5 Micron acceptance-size) would matter. The phenomena are a result of the reactions/decompositions of component molecules.
Pretty much… I can come close to cigarettes… mostly unlit… sometimes I score and hit all the numbers right and it’s ashy… but in reality… its your mind over tobacco and at the time, what you assume you crave… Its a lot better when one can drop those cravings and actually discover something new, and fall for it instead. Used as a crutch tho… even fake tobaccos can get someone over that “Hump” for the next line in progression… normally it is fruits. so I totally agree with you @Josephine_van_Rijn
and that is why I brought up those micro particles… it’s not tobaccos I am chasing now… it’s more of a combo of coffee and chocolate with a ton of nuts [for me]… I thought I went thru this 5 yrs ago… but apparently I am not done with any of it.
I keep trying to describe the flavor of the Dekang Marl bo ro that recently disappeared, to people trying to help me. I think it tastes like an actual unlit marlboro cigarette??? I’m not sure tho. I keep taking a hit off my vape with this Marl bo ro and this is the only way I can now describe it.
I gave my suggestions.
If you do not want to go buy the flavors in my recipe, I can create a shot. then my supplies for winsitin is gone till my next reup… You are going to have to meet someone half way even if it is not me. If you do not try something, how the heck will you know how close it is or isnt? recreating flavors that are discontinued… is hard… but without effort… yeah… one gets no where at all.
You need to show what tobacco flavors you have… and hope to meet up with that magic person that knows what composition you have that you want… failing that… you need to be willing to work with someone that is willing to help you figure it out.
Discontinued flavors replication is hard, and there is a huge chance it will no longer be able to be created and you will just have to move on.
I’m making all the liquids from the help I’m getting in here. I have dozens of tobacco concentrates that I’ve bought and have been making all the recipes I’ve read from the suggestions this forum and so far none of them have given me a flavor that I can vape. I’m not giving up. I still have lots to learn and lots to make. I’m just saying in my last post what I’m finding in this journey to make a liquid I can enjoy and like.
so you made my winstin?? what is lacking or you feel needs to be added?
and it might be a thing if you shared some of your efforts too… so we all can see how what when etc…
atm you have nothing showing at all. Make some recipes public… otherwise I will assume now you are big tobacco and out trying to get someone to clone a cigarette
Working on a whisky / Liquid amber layer to do that… Next it’ll be adding FA Flash to it.
Unfortunately as I said, can’t use NETs it’d have been even easier… have to stick to FAs or TPAs I’ll use nets that when I’ll make the POD version
The quest goes on… I’m on a V5 but still not there, the acidity fades…
Generally I think we’ll never replicate a true burnt tobacco/hit feeling (don’t want to work with salts…) still I think we could get close (Winston like…)
Lots of people with more money then we have, tried to replicate a Marlboro and didn’t succeed so it’s not really feasible, most (if not all) of us even forgot the taste of it, so can’t compare (nearly 6 years now… on this side) as @Josephine_van_Rijn said it’s a bit of a quest for the holy grail, too many options, not enough data, it’s subjective (different taste buds) and to make it worst, many of us now have an acquired taste of unlit tobacco.
What comforts me is, that’s a shitty burnt tobacco (With millions of dollars on research behind) and burning things always muddles up the fllavors, when it’ll be shitty enough I’ll know I got the right profile… could I be close?? Not really, it’s still too good and mellow…
Stick with it.
Prowl this site by searching some cool threads. You’ll have to find them but I’ll tip you off to what to type in the search engine.
“Favorite recipes”
“Favorite recipe by another mixer”
“One shots”
“Simple recipes”
“Sneak peak recipes”
“2-3 flavor recipes”
That’ll keep ya busy.
Don’t get discouraged. Find some veteran mixers and follow them, many of them are quite prolific on here. Session drummer, Fidalgo, pro vapes, Dan the Man, authormichellehughs, the one I can never spell, sumouyomo or such, Smokyblu when you’re ready to take on Flavorah, freshpies, fishaddict, and more.
Learn to use the recipe search.
Learn abbreviations.
Immerse yourself in DIY.
Watch videos. Pay attention. Take notes.
If it’s tobacco you want, find a prominent tobacco mixer. When you search tobaccos they will be the ones with the highly rated (often older) recipes.
When a more expert mixer offers you advice, show your gratitude by listening carefully and heeding their advice. It’s quite a gift.
We’re lucky to have this site.
There’s so many mistakes you can avoid by reading others advice. And you don’t even have to ask them yourself! Most questions have been asked hundreds of times, and they are in the archives.
Find a couple recipes that have a good rating and order those specific concentrates and make a well worn tried and true recipe.
Unfortunately flavor is subjective, so no one knows what you’re going to like. But there are some pretty sire fire flavors most people like, like strawberries and cream or cookies or fruit loops. . But you know you.
DONT OVER FLAVOR. It’s one of the biggest rookie mistakes. I have flavors that I made early on that taste like NASCAR, and I actually add straight VG to them by half again as much and they actually aren’t too bad.
Your tastes will change. The further I get off cigarettes (a year now), I’ve found my acuity or sensitivity to flavors is heightened. Some flavors I used to like are just too much now.
Try just a little sweetener if you aren’t already.
Read, take notes, have fun.
I’ve been vaping 4 different tobacco flavors from 4 different suppliers for the last 9 years. They may have all been the same or similar liquid. I don’t know… They all either changed their flavor or just stopped selling them. This liquid I like does not taste like tobacco to me at all. It’s just good tasting. All other tobaccos to me taste like crap. Too harsh or too maple syrupy.
My flavor that I liked is hard to describe. It has no real flavor that I can describe. It just tastes great and I’m almost out. I’m on my last 40ml of it. I keep making liquids from some USA Mix tobacco liquids or make my own tobaccos and add other concentrates to them and they just don’t taste good enough to vape all day.
I’m not giving up… I just wish I could find someone who vaped those old flavors I used to buy and could help me make my own.
Found an OLD review of this eliquid from 2010 and this was the video review from him so I see why it’s hard to describe LOL. A floral sort of taste as undertone, caramel flavor more prominent, slightly pungent flavor doesn’t taste like it smells, the finish is more like how tobacco smells fresh from the pack
I enjoyed this for several months.
I moved to more playful flavors, this one was used to replicate a hint of tobacco. More the fresh tobacco you smell when you open a pouch.
so I totally agree with you 
recreating flavors that are discontinued… is hard… but without effort… yeah… one gets no where at all.
could I be close?? Not really, it’s still too good and mellow…
