Have a look! Weird stuff going on.
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yep, you missed the ingredient list(s) plus this:
but that ingredient list not only contradicts everything we thought we knew about MF, it even contradicts a bunch info that NR happily copied from MF’s website onto their website… So this badly needs resolving.
After sleeping on it, I’m increasingly hopeful that it’s just another case of somebody not really bothering to look at the SDS and just slapping on a standardised one-size-fits-all label . It’s amazing how often that happens in the vaping industry. I’ve even bought distilled water from a vape shop that purported to contain PG! 
But for those of us who are trying to exclude PG and other allergens from their vape, that joke wears thin pretty damned fast. There are actually quite a number of PG-free concentrates out there, but if they’re all mislabelled in this way (as they usually are) how the heck are we supposed to identify them?
And now that’s even started happening with MF, of all things! (or so I hope, cos the alternative is worse)
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Hello, we received an update regarding the PG situation from Medicine Flower directly.
Medicine Flower is using Propylene Glycol that is made from Vegetable Glycerin. Meaning it is not petroleum based like standard PG, but instead it is vegetable based PG. A bit confusing, but we confirmed the information on our end as well that creating PG from VG is possible and the process does exist. Nevertheless to avoid confusion we will be changing the labels to say: “This is the water soluble version of this flavor.”
The PG being vegetable based could most likely the reason behind why this does not impact people with standard PG allergies. The flavoring profiles we are carrying are no different than the ones listed on this page:
https://www.medicineflower.com/flavorextracts.html
Our apologies for any confusion! This was a surprise to us as well as it is definitely an uncommon process, but I guess that is just another reason why their flavors are so immaculate! 
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Well, I’ll be!
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Thanks but if it’s definitely the same stuff , I think that word “version” would be misleading. .
Yeah, it’s known that PG is often made from vegetables these days (most often corn, I believe) , That doesn’t make it especially different from the rest. But this is first we’ve heard of MF containing any kind of PG. I think that issue needs a whole new thread.
My own guess is that it’s actually the various (un-named) vegetable origins of modern PG that are causing the PG reactions in some folk (self-included) and not the old petrochemically -derived PG, so i’m afraid that isn’t reassuring. W’re gonna have to put MF back undr the microsope at this rate 
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It is concerning that MF lists its ingredients as solely genuine flavor extract, save for these that contain alcohol.
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Just got off the phone with Alysia owner of MF snd she has confirmed that there is PG sourced from Vegtable not petroleum and always has been in their flavors …Not all like the citrus , but I just had a great lesson in flavor making but I am going to email her the links to these threads where she is more than happy to answer questions… @Nicotine_River has been working with them to formulate these flavors and will become there distributor for the vaping industry etc … Also these flavors are of equal strength and taste etc …
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You are the winner! Thanks for taking the initiative. Did she happen to mention which vegetables are used in the production of this PG? I know @jay210 would like to know!
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Wondering here how many people with PG allergies have been happily vaping MF concentrates…
Would be interesting to know that an allergy is not due to PG itself but the petroleum source of PG. And that would definitely open new doors for those people as well.
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No she didnt but I just sent her the link to get to the forum , she is more than willing to explain and comfort everyone … I didnt think to ask either , to be honest a lot of what she was explaining blew my brain apart lmao …
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That was one of her thoughts and why she went into a quick process and explanation of how flavors are made etc , and why carriers of any kind are used etc etc …i would not try to explain what dhe daid bc I would some how screw it up and cause more concern… However I do want to thank @Nicotineriver for listening and reaching out to MF as we asked … I do think there is much more behind the scenes than any of us could imagine…
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I’ll be purchasing whatever type MF is using if it’s available to the public! If, that is, she can divulge that kind if information. 
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Obviously that still doesn’t solve the problem with PG in other concentrates, but it might give other manufacturers perhaps some incentive to look into it and maybe change their PG as well (if the cost would be similar).
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Plunderdrum this might get you started in your quest
Im not surr if they sell it or only use it in their products , but it confirms Vegetable glycol is a thing
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I don’t use any of the PG-based concentrates, well…except for MF, it turns out! So for me it will be a good experiment to see if this Veggie PG will work with all of of my non-PG flavors. Using my wife as the test subject, of course.
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Funny, I read that about an hour ago!
The fact that the ever-allergic/sensitive @jay210 can use MF, which has always had PG in it - as well as my wife, who can usually tell by the dry cough - I have to try it out
(That sentence was horrible! ^^^)
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First off, GREAT share bro!
Well. That certainly raises more questions doesn’t it?!
Given the report of:
Does this mean:
- that MF is going to offer different products?
I mean, if it’s always been there, and certain folks with sensitivities have raved over them and had no ill effects thus far… Then it stands to reason that their issue is probably more with the flavoring companies that uses petroleum based PG. Interesting in any case!
Does this mean:
- that MF is going to manufacturer ALL of their products (regardless of where they’re sold, or by whom) the same?
Because, when it’s said that “@Nicotine_River has been working with them to formulate these flavors” (which fidalgo_vapes is obviously paraphrasing), that leaves the distinct impression that things are being customized from the traditional flavors that were being offered (above and beyond whatever normal changes that MF might have made as a normal matter of time and improvements in refining the process on their own)
Yeah. Gonna need some popcorn, and some concrete statements before I get “concerned” I think. 
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Alysia did mention New flavors are coming …Any other things ill let others address , like i said itbwas a great conversation about the process and she wants to be transparent and put anyones worries at ease . My main qurstions were
is there PG in these flavors
Are they the same as the extracts we buy direct and from GEB
Are they the same strength
She went on to explain the process and I dont want to go down that road and screw anything up in the process by accidently messing that process up by a step or two. Alysia asked for the forum links so she can come here asap …
Note : wow how many times did I say process 
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unfortunately that data wouldn’t actually answer the question. Going by posts on these boards, it seems that most people with PG sensitivity find they can get away with reducing the PG to bare minimum. Obviously, if your PG is coming from the flavourings only , then just switching to MF could sort it.
That’s not to say that continued low-level exposire. like you’d get from vaping, would be harmless. In some people (with IgE reactions) that kind of thing works to decrease their sebsitivity (over a very long period of time, under close medical supervision) . In others it has the reverse effect. I’ve endeavoured to keep the PG-content of my vape at zero, because I already know that I belong to that latter group.; and there’s no guessing how many others.
So yeah, mad though it may seem, I might actually have to stop using MF. And this info might explain a few symptoms that I’m getting at the moment (though i’ve got a list of possible alternative culprits, TBH)
As for the argument that PG-allergy is due to PG being a petroleum priduct: that was always just an unsubstantiated assumption; and not a very convincing one at that, when you consider that allergens contain protien, usually .And I’m sorry to hear that’s now been accepted as a fact by intelligent people.
Since word got out that PG is nowadays commercially extracted from plant material , that assumption looks all the more shaky.
Nobody knows the answer though, and nobody’s in a position to even make an educated guess. Why not? because, whatever the source of the PG is, it doesn;t appear on the label. and manufacturers of PG-containing products can and do chop and change their source without notice.
Ofc it might easily turn out (if it ever gets properly tested) that some people react to petroleum-based PG, some to corn-based PG, and so on. Why on earth should we expect one single definitive answer? But since corn contains protein and protoleum doesn’t , my money would be on the corn as the culprit, if i had just those two to choose from
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Whoah, I didn’t claim that. IF it is the case, it would be good… I never said “Oh good, now that’s settled, petroleum is the cause of all”. Just that it would be interesting if people could give vegetable PG a try to see if that solves their problem.
I think I would rather take that approach than to say you’re now going to stay away from MF flavors as well. Wouldn’t you rather be sure of the exact source of your problems?
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