Medicine Flower contains PG

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She’s making the automatic leap that if it’s vegetable based…there almost “has to” be corn in it (from her perspective).

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Ahhh ha bc corn is a vegatable … Wow 2 + 1 =9 for me today lmao

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Nope.
When FV quoted me he naughtily missed out the wörd “if”. . i.e. that was a conditional clause, not a statement.

Don’t you Mods have better things to do than make fun of people when they’re trying to extract some clear and unambiguous information?

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LMAO… Nah… Not so much that, as it is that given how plentiful corn is, and the cost effectiveness of the product (corn) to be turned into other things…

This increases the potential likelihood of having a product include it in areas where corn (or an ingredient that’s derived from corn) can be used.

HOWEVER, my position is such that there’s a distinct difference between being corn based, and having an amount in it that’s going to affect some miniscule amount of the vaping population (which is what we’re here to talk about).

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Indeed. Splitting off this sidetrack is one if the aforementioned better things our Mods might be doing.

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A. I’m NOT a moderator. (my “fun title” or whatever you want to call the thing under my name, has to do with me evaluating mods [regulated or otherwise], most frequently from a “deceased” standpoint.)

B. I was not making fun of you.

Might be a good idea to take a step back/away for a bit.

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and @Sprkslfly - Could it be that the vegetable based PG is in fact 1,3 Propanediol? I believe that regular PG is a petrochemical and 1,3 Propanediol aka PDO and 1,3-Propylene Glycol is vegetable based; more specifically corned based.

Those with PG based sensitivities usually switch to PDO (The Perfumers Apprentice now sells it on their website) because they do not suffer from the negative reactions from standard PG.

Links:

The Good Scents Company - 1,3-propane diol | 1,3-propanediol

Zemea USP-FCC Propanediol for Food and Flavors

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Yes I did , my bad …

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Good Question for Alysia … Hey you… How are things

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I don’t know. But if it is, some of us have already been down that road (not just by using flavors that were created with it as a primary carrier, but by using the actual product (PDO) itself), and I can say it won’t end well (at least per my opinion and experience with it)!

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Yes. Most definitely ask Alysia because I’m sure that would clear up a lot of confusion about the “PG”. Doing good Fidalgo! Thanks for asking (^_^) ! How are you?

Yeah, I think I know what your referring to regarding PDO in some flavors; Real Flavors? I was trying to catch up on the thread on the PDO vs Alcohol %'s in their actual flavors. What I remember is that some of their SC’s did contain minimal amounts of it. I heard some good experiences and bad but I would def. have to recheck that RF thread.

I’ve never used PDO as a replacement for standard PG but I do know that a few mixers use it and a few CBD e-liquid companies use it as their base because the PG ratio is higher for CBD e-liquid. A lot of people complain about throat hit or that the CBD mixes better with PDO. I also know that Five Pawns e-liquid use PDO as their base and ppl seem to like it a lot.

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Ah point taken :slight_smile: . And FV’s ava is just wearing a funny yellow nose?,(yeah, i know that doesn’t imply mod necessarily, but that distinctions got blurred has it not?)
BTW, if you could hand out a like for the top half of a post, you woulda got one for that, but then you ruined it with:

cos, for reasons that i;m not inclined to repeat, the jury is still out on how much of the population this potentially affects. or rather, it ought to be out… :thinking: Welllll… (can’t resist) main reason is that corn is increasingly ubiquitous and so very well hidden that it’s a marvel that anybody ever manages to figure out that they have a corn allergy (personal experience: it literally took me years of being forced to elimininate this that and the other from my diet, before I sussed what all those eliminated ingredients have in common.The moment of enlightenment came shortly after I had to -ironically- eliminate my antihistamine tablets ) .

So it stands to reason we’re looking at the tip of the iceberg,

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A post was merged into an existing topic: Medicine Flower Suppliers

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@Sprkslfly @fidalgo_vapes - That could also explain why MF is so expensive. Not only their extraction process but also because they are using PDO; which is not cheap at all and very hard to get.

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That’s POINT 4 and POINT 6 percent for everyone.

:slight_smile:

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That’s two of us @Plunderdrum VG based PG. Who’d a thunk that one ?

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I strongly (and I can’t emphasize that enough) doubt it.

Why? I’ve never experienced fading issues with MF. In fact, just the opposite.
MF frequently gets stronger (in a mix) as time passes. :wink:

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I understand there is a high interest in PG, but there is a whole lot of “blah, blah, blah”, between post 46 and 100.

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@fidalgo_vapes I love phone calls like that.

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Doesn’t seem like it, this is made both from petroleum and corn syrup… although Wikipedia is known to be wrong from time to time.

Production[edit]

1,3-Propanediol may be chemically synthesized by the hydration of acrolein, or by the hydroformylation of ethylene oxide to afford 3-hydroxypropionaldehyde. The aldehyde is hydrogenated to give 1,3-propanediol. Moreover, the bioconversion of glycerol to 1,3-propanediol is existent in certain bacteria.

Two other routes involve bioprocessing by certain micro-organisms:

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