Hey guys, first post and very new to DIY, having a heck of a time getting this stuff to taste… tolerable lol a little background might help. So I moved to diy to have the ability to keep using my MTL devices, but wean myself of the nic so I’m using the vaporesso xros and using most people’s average mixing % for flavouring but I’m not sure if using a mtl device needs to be mixed at higher percentage or what. The only thing that seems to be vapable is my peppermints wintergreen ect. I’m using the calc. On the site so I know my mix is a 50/50 and I’m using a scale to measure. I’ll post this and try and post my flavour stash to see if I bought all the wrong stuff haha any help or advise will be very appreciated!!
Welcome to ELR @New_B
I can’t help with MTL recipes but if you could post up a recipe you tried and didn’t get “taste” I’m sure somebody into MTL will chime in with some advice
Its not that you have the wrong stuff …If your using another persons recipes and they are mixing for an rda or tank then changing the base ratio isnt gonna help …You really need to push your flavors and keep the recipes simple… Contrasting flavors are helpful when mixing for pods… Example would be like using a Lemon and Raspberry push these flavors dont over do creams they dont come thru in a pod like they do with Rdas or tanks . Sweetener is great to have in pod recipes along with a mint or cooling agent …
Post a couple recipes you have tried
Well that’s the latest and greatest flop, but I’ve tried a few strawberry watermelon recipes and it just kinda ends up being a sweet chemical taste lol but now I have a shake and vape peppermint so at least I have something interested to see what you guys think of that recipe, keep in mind I was keeping the strawberry low to get a baseline but it doesn’t come through at all. Definitely understand the heat difference between the pods and rdas but what brought me here was not knowing how to overcome it
Also had no idea changing the base ratio would change the flavour in a bad way, I thought pg carries flavour better so going to 50/50 might help over hinder
Not sure on 50/50, I’ve never mixed at that ratio but maybe you need a longer steep (with custard). Were you vaping Commercial juice before DIY? If so was it 50/50 pg vg
Yes and yes I was on commercial juice back and forth from my rda and mtl devices, but quite familiar with 50/50 mixes
Also steep time…. I hate steep time lol if you could help clear something up, yes bakery and custards family need quite a bit of time but won’t most Fruit flavours be vapable after 24-48 hours? Not to it’s fullest potential but vapable?
First off from the recipe you posted you are under flavored for a 16 watt pod system. Make 10-15ml tests bumping up the flavor by two percent for each test. Keep your recipes simple. No more than 3 to 4 flavors. You won’t get complex taste thru the pod so don’t waste the flavor. Stick to simple fruit recipes. Most simple fruit or candy recipes will be shake & vape. By doing what I recommend you can adjust flavor customized to your pallet.
It will also be over flavored for your RDA.
Also keep in mind @New_B your bot going to achive a Custard dominant tecipe in the pod , you ate essentially burying those fruits…Even in an RDA that recipe is heavy in Cream / custard flaves …
Push those SB flaves …
Ripe at 6 pct
Sweet SB @ 8 pct
Super Sweet @ .5 to 1pct
Custard at 1
You can even Take that kiwi double and mix it with the Strawberry add sweet and menthol
Oh and add the Raspberry to the Strawberry mix at like 2 to 3 pct that will really push those SB and give you a Red Flavor
Awesome guys!! Thanks for the help, gonna park for the night soon and have some mixing to do! Learned a lot so I appreciate everyone’s input and advice
Welcome and glad you joined.
This works for me:
I find that if I do 30 or so small 3 (singles)-5 ml different recipe mixes along with a few (ADV mixes) 30 up to 120 ml. mixes, I find it impossible to even approach, let alone vape the steeping previous mix no sooner than 1 month and more often 2-3 months.
Advantages for me:
- Nearly always have a new or ADV mix to look forward too.
- More apt to rate the mix more fairly because I number my mix rather than name it on the label (I forgot the hype and why I mixed it in the first place).
- No worries about a mix going bad. If it’s a shake a vape, the mix is not for me.
- When I do approach running out of first time mixes, I always have plenty of ADV mixes on hand to vape with. Running low signals time to “get off the couch” to do another batch of mixes.
I work a lot with pods and vape pens for my wife and my son, on those devices, if you use fruits and things like that nothing below 15% will work, maybe with some Super concentrates pushed high, no chance with straight Flavours like FA/CAP/TPA, you have to push them e.g. @fidalgo_vapes mix looks perfect for a POD, that’s the way of looking at them!
Search on the calculator side the word POD and also look at 2015/2016 recipes.
The other way a POD shines is menthol/WS23 and sucralose, with a simple fruit layer, too many gimmicks and the PODs will only give you one maybe two notes back to your vape.
So stick to one head note and maybe a body to pair it with, but that’s it! Accents and things like that will never come through, don’t worry if you see recipes from 17 to 25% flavouring it’s just the way they work.
Keep your PG high, VG at 60% is their limit, and it would anyway take ages to steep properly so 50 or 60PG (I also used 70PG) is not unusual neither.
Use milk/meringue/marshmallow for the smoothness custards have to be on the high side and won’t work for less then a month, but by that time you’d have lost any high volatile fruits e.g.: SB or citruses.
Little note, on your stash, change that Cappellas Sugar Cookie, is wrong, the right one is easy to find it’s probably got the most used recipes in the whole DB, check if you’ve got V1 or V2, this will also improve the “What can I make” search.
BTW Welcome to ELR!!!
Thanks! This is making a lot more sense now, I mixed up some strawberry with raspberry at the higher % like @fidalgo_vapes said and knowing that my head won’t explode if I go higher than 15% is great. Being new I consumed a lot of “tips and guidelines” for the masses which would be mixing for tanks/rdas. Also search for POD, what a gold nugget!! Seems like most recipes are like 50 frickin ingredients lol
@New_B first things first, welcome to ELR.
Secondly, @Iv3shf KNOWS his MTL (Mouth To Lung), and pods.
And that, IMHO is a huge mistake especially for Low Power Devices, some of them now use mesh coils and have improved a bit but still, thousands of flavours won’t just work, all you’ll get is one or two notes, as said earlier, layering and/or using premade complex concentrates, Honey roasted Peanuts, CAP Strawbberries and cream, Eucaliptus and mint, and so on, is a good strategy to get the most with less ingredients.
KISS on PODs is the rule! (that’s a gd 1. )
@New_B First, I want to welcome you to the community. I’m not a MTL person anymore and when I was, I used strictly commercial juice with some working for me and some not. Looks like you’ve gotten some good advice, especially about keeping it simple and upping the percentages a bit at time to find your sweet spot. When I started DIY’ing, I really appreciated the advice and suggestions I got from folks here cuz I was flying blind at the beginning. After DIY’ing for a year, I am now only flying partially blind and continue to learn from more experienced folks on this forum. Keep at it, be patient and remember you are learning a new skill. The good news is that mixing is fun, even if there are some bumps in the road. I’ve mixed some horrible tasting juice (luckily only mixed 10ml for new recipes) and try to remember that when I mix a rotten tasting juice, I’ve learned something. I’ve learned what I don’t like and that is as important as learning what works for me.
I’ve seen this sort of standardized response before on the forum. MTL atomizers are as varied in design as RL and DL atomizers as are Pod devices and the answer is just as complex. I’m not a pod user so I can’t speak from personal experience but I’ve been a hybrid vaper all along using 30/70 blends across the board with identical flavor percentages. Is there a difference? Yes, typically an MTL atty will intensify the top notes and DL pronounces the midrange and bottom. But there’s variations on that especially when using the European style “tall boys” which can be either MTL or DL such as with the Brunhilde and Dvarw FL. I’ve used Kayfuns lower than 16w and found no need to adjust flavors just to accommodate the tank. The tank is designed for flavor at lower wattage. That’s why it’s called an MTL and typically known for producing intense flavor. Most of my adjustments are in the blend for when I vape tobaccos because I prefer more throat hit. 40/60 suffices but I can see where a newly reformed smoker might like 50/50. But as for adding more flavor pct for my MTLs, that has not been my personal experience and defeats the purpose. Has it been your experience? I’m curious.