I think a really good diy kit would have pg vg nic, obviously, and gloves and a nicotine test kit like @Sprkslfly mentioned, and then maybe have a choice of flavors from the 25 flavors in this thread Analyzing The 100 Top-Rated Recipes . You could have a basic kit with 10-15 or so of the ones that are in the most recipes, and a deluxe kit with all of them maybe? I don’t know what the typical price point for diy starter kits are, I’ve never shopped for one. So I’m not sure if 25 flavors is crazy…or not? I suppose if you could do 10ml flavors for the kit it would be more cost effective.
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IMHO… I think a beginner’s kit would be an excellent idea for a vendor like NicRiver to sell.
Though I’d suggest the Economical First Order from A Beginner’s Guide To Making The Most Highly-Rated Recipes. That list is almost perfect, though determining how much VG & PG could be a (little bit?) of a pain. And it’s missing a scale… Does NicRiver sell scales? Could they? Is it possibly economical to purchase a number of scales solely to turn into kits for one-stop shopping?
The top 25 flavors listed in the Analyzing thread is not really a beginner’s kit, since they’re not geared toward any certain recipes. They’re a great list of flavors for anyone to have, though. A better “advanced” list of flavors is in the section Maximum Efficiency listing 40 flavors that can make 31 recipes. That could be a kit - but do advanced users really need a pre-packaged kit of flavors?
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I suppose, but I’ll tell ya I would have loved to have all those right off the bat! But yes, those 18 (?) Flavors in that economical first order list would probably be better. The only problem I see there for a brand spanking new mixer who may or may not be part of elr is that there are a lot of repeats like strawberry and custard. I think have three different custards in a might be overwhelming for someone just starting out who isn’t specifically trying to mix recipes from here.
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And yes, that would be a great kit! And I don’t consider myself advanced, but I’m not brand new anymore either… If the price was right I would absolutely love to have a kit option for those flavors.
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I know when I started out I had no clue what flavorings to buy. I think I got the top 50 or so flavors and it wasn’t until I tried to use them I realized I had a bunch of creams and enhancers with plenty of strawberry lol. But anyway, I figured it out and all was right in the world again.
With that said, how about some recipes to go with the kits? I’m not sure how to work that in…maybe suggestions in the kit description? Even if it’s a link to elr top rated at least the person picking flavors for their kits will have ideas for recipes at that point rather than getting the most used flavorings.
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Excellent point. I agree there.
Thank you guys for all of your feedback! I have been trying to think about what is ultimately the easiest way to streamline this whole kit. My greatest fear is it being overwhelming. Every kit I have checked out has 48mg nicotine as a up sell - Why do you think that 48mg is all that is offered? Is there also any value in offering a premixed 4mg, 7mg, 13mg, knowing that with a 20% - 25% flavoring in whatever recipe they make it will bring it down to a 3mg, 6mg, 12mg? Let me know if that makes sense?
Thank you!
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I think overwhelming is better. All of the kits I have seen are so bland.
I have never bought/used one. I had everything to begin DIY e-juice [except the nicotine and a lot of the flavoring] because I have made herbal tinctures/beard oils/perfumes etc. and have also been baking for decades. I even had the lab equipment, scales, magnetic mixers from my profession.
If I had been forced to by a bland DIY kit to start, I would have been frustrated by the ones I have seen offered. I believe having good tools to start with makes for a much better experience, higher quality product, and more excitement.
[ Why do you think that 48mg is all that is offered?]
I think it is a safety precaution for new handlers of nicotine liquid. Personally, I like 48mg nic, and the best I have ever used is yours in VG @Nicotine_River …in any strength.
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I also think you should offer a non-nicotine option. By the time I started mixing, I had already worked down to 0 nic. So I wouldn’t buy the kits because I wouldn’t pay the extra for nic when it was a waste. So the gloves, nic, and nic test kit would be a waste for me. So the two options with a different price points for the non nic and nic tester would be great also.
And I think being able to choose your own flavoring choices is best for the same reason. Why waste flavorings if some aren’t liked by the person buying.
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Noted and that will be an option for sure!
I think your situation is kind of “the exception to the rule” though. As I believe the majority of those who start into DIY do so for financial reasons first and foremost. The second largest group would probably be those who honestly love the idea as a hobby (such as those who love to cook, and can easily see the correlation between the two).
If those two comprise the majority of potential kit buyers, then chances are high that they’re still going to be in the early stages of trying to quit smoking, and still need Nicotine, etc.
I can easily see how some people might desire to purchase their own flavors, but personally, I think those same people are less likely to be the ones who would be interested in a kit in the first place.
To me, a kit is normally for someone just entering the world of DIY. Think of all the times you’ve read here from a newcomer saying “I wish I would have not gotten the flavors I did…” when they picked their own.
Overall, it’s a tough call, as there’s so many varying points of entry to DIY.
Might be a good idea if Grant allowed for both. One set of kit options for choosing their own flavors, and one set of options for those who are 100% new.
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Is it worth it for Nicotine River to have a product in every flavor company that is a “Top 10 Flavor” product? We can base it off of our reports and what has sold the best from the beginning. Let me know if this would be helpful?
Thank you!
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Yes, That would be very helpful. Also stocking Hype flavors- New to the Market. That would also be great!
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Will this suffice? https://www.nicotineriver.com/collections/flavourart-flavors/products/flavourart-10-best
Thank you!
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What I think would be nice is to have say a 5 flavor selection with the top 5 or 10 flavors from each category.
You can say have the top 5 creams based on sales from various company’s, then top 20 fruits and that would be the 2nd and 3rd selection. Follow that up with the top 20 desert flavors for the 4th selection and top 5 custards.
This way someone can orders something like this:
- Cap Sweet Cream
- INW Shisha Strawberry
- FA Fuji Apple
- TFA Cheesecake Graham Crust
- CAP Vanilla Custard
When your a newb it is best to have less choices, not more so that your first mix has a better chance of succeeding. If you include some simple recipes on the product page as well then this might be the jumpstart they need. I tried multiple flavor mixes when I first started and failed, the simple ones are what kept me going in DIY. If there was a starter kit like this I would have ordered it right away.
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I dig it and great idea!
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I wouldn’t put the Meringue and the Marshmallow in that group…one or the other, then have an additional flavor.
I think the kits(s) should be available from super simple to the complete thing.
Super simple being premixed base with choice of PG/VG ratio, with or without nic. and flavorings in their choice, of how many, maybe two sizes and flavor choice. All kits should contain gloves syringes/pipettes, and the option of getting a scale for a decent price.
Very nice! If I may make a suggestion since this is to be sold as a group I would suggest swapping out “sour wizard” with whatevers at #11, this is just an enhancer. Other than that it’s a great line up. I see a handful of recipes that can be made from it.
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This was created by @Scottes777 and is a brilliant compilation that is easy to scan through the ingredients.
It is not only the best way I have ever seen to get someone new started with simple answers to the always asked questions of “what can I make” and “what flavors should I buy”, especially when they are eager to begin and can’t stand to wait a month to vape their first DIY juice.
It is so fast, easy, and simple to get a quick look at the recipe flavorings and decide if it appeals to their tastebuds, and they can choose which level they wish to start at. They can also easily ask others about flavor pairings versus steep times with the ingredients right in front of them and copy/paste in a reply on the forum…WITHOUT having to go to each recipe and open it to get the same information. AND…as we all know, the recipe names may be appealing, but the ingredients aren’t, or vice versa.
Yes, there is only a handful of each configuration, but PLENTY of choices to get someone new started with ease.
As I am sure Lars wouldn’t mind [may wish to consult him], and I see no reason you would object [Grant, Scott, Adair, Jody, etc] but maybe you could include a link to this thread [below] with each order, and every participant on ELR should direct all new mixers to this thread as well.
That being said about/for new DIY mixers, it is also a great simple guide for all of us to benefit from. I believe it would be very beneficial for new mixers to read the thread BEFORE they made their first flavoring order…however they were directed to it.
It’s definitely the best simple tool I have ever seen to get someone started…from just the recipes/ingredients alone.
It should be a ‘sticky’ on ELR. Here is the thread:
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