Bull Durham, perhaps the worst cigarette I ever tasted.
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Hey, be a pal ! … 
… The aroma of my NETs (the Va/Per/Cav mixtures that I like; with sometimes a bit of Turkish popped in an RDA when cleaning/drying my RTA wicks) smells a lot like un-smoked Lucky Strikes.
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I take that back about Bull’s - these were worse by FAR! 
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You really know how to hurt a fellow’s feelings. … 
… That was my trendy brand when I was 16 years old - although I later switched to the similar (although nearly as downright nasty tasting) French-made “Gitanes”.
That’s me on the far right in San Francisco in 1973 with friends, hosting our friend Country Joe McDonald [with, I believe, a soft-pack of “Gauloises” stuffed into the waistband of my “loons” (probably an apt name)]:
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You have to read the HR in combination with the Jenkins Act 15 U.S.C. 375 and 15 U.S.C. 376a(b)(1). No ban on mailing; signature and ID required, just like alcohol purchases.
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Interesting point, Woftam. However, there exist some states in the U.S. that have made any/all shipments of all Tobacco related products (save for to licensed distributors and retailers) illegal. So much for the federal “Jenkins Act” if/when that is the applicable case.
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Thanks for the info. Yes, “brick and mortar” stores have a monetary interest in reducing any/all online sales.
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*F the convenience lobby …I read the Jenkins act to pretty much ban retail delivery of Vapes like they have done with Tobacco and RYO - it is where the bill says the language is being inserted. i.e: (2) in section 2A(b)(1) (15 U.S.C. 376a(b)(1)), by inserting “NICOTINE/” after“CIGARETTES/”.
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I do believe it is just closing a loophole where there was no age verification on nicotine-containing products. I could be wrong and it will no doubt be used for nefarious purposes in regard to taxation of nicotine sourced from outside the states should the nic tax bill get up.
I asked Dimitris Agrafiotis about it (HR 4742 Nic tax) the other day and he was of the opinion it will never pass in its current form - he is far wiser and more connected than I am so I am taking him at his word.
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Don’t have the energy to dive into statutes to discern how screwed we are/will become - but this (even without State statutes imposing restrictions on shipping into that State) seems to sum it up for cigs/snuffs:
“U.S. Code § 1716E.Tobacco products as nonmailable”
My (casual, perhaps wrong ?) impression is that new legislative goals are to include “vaping” related stuff ?
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472 Mailability
472.1 General
Except as provided in 472.2, all cigarettes (including roll-your-own tobacco) and smokeless tobacco are nonmailable and shall not be deposited in or carried through the Postal Service mailstream. Nonmailable cigarettes and smokeless tobacco deposited in the mail are subject to seizure and forfeiture. …
… The Postal Service has reasonable cause not to accept for delivery or transmit a package based on:
1. A statement on a publicly available website, or an advertisement, by any person that the person will mail matter which is nonmailable under this section in return for payment; or
2. The fact that the mailer or other person on whose behalf a mailing is being made is on the U.S. Attorney General‘s List of Unregistered or Noncompliant Delivery Sellers.
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For potential recipients in States that allow such (alas, mine is not one), USPS requires the following of shippers initiating age-verified shipments to such recipients (assured to be slapped with all applicable taxes):
Certain Individuals Exception (only through a face-to-face retail transaction with the customer; Carrier Pickup service is not permitted)
1. Mailings must be presented to a postal employee in a face-to-face transaction; Carrier Pickup service and Pickup on Demand service are not available.
2. Check for the following marking on the address side: “PERMITTED TOBACCO MAILING — DELIVER ONLY TO AGE-VERIFIED ADULT OF LEGAL AGE.”
3. Ask the mailer to present government-issued photo identification that lists age or date of birth, such as a driver’s license or passport.
4. Check that the name on the identification matches the name on the return address of the mailpiece.
5. Verify that the mailer is of the legal age to purchase tobacco in your location. The legal age to purchase tobacco is age 18 in all states and U.S. territories and possessions, with the exception that the minimum age is 19 in the states of Alaska, Alabama, New Jersey, and Utah, and in Nassau, Onondaga, and Suffolk counties in New York.
6. If the addressee is an individual, ask the mailer to orally confirm that the addressee is an adult of at least the minimum age for the legal sale or purchase of tobacco products at the place of delivery.
7. Verify that the package weighs no more than 10 ounces.
8. If you are aware that the mailer has mailed 10 or more such packages in the last 30 days, advise the mailer that the package cannot be mailed at this time.
9. Advise the mailer that Express Mail service with Hold For Pickup service (Express Mail Label 11-HFPU) is required for this shipment (except for APO/FPO/DPO addresses).
10. For APO/FPO/DPO addresses: Express Mail service is required for shipments from the United States to APO/FPO/DPO addresses, but the mailer is not required to use Hold For Pickup service.
Note: Express Mail service is not available to some overseas military destinations, and some destinations do not allow cigarettes in military mail, so first check for tobacco restrictions for the relevant APO/FPO/DPO ZIP Code in the current issue of the Postal Bulletin.
Source: https://about.usps.com/postal-bulletin/2010/pb22287/html/kit.htm#ep1366109
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Wait. What? o0
That would actually be the proper way to go about things… (/sarcasm: and that can’t be right)
On top of which, I’d be totally cool with that.
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it will go from under $50 litre to almost $3000 of 100
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(Presumably) your particular state of residence does not (and perhaps will not at some point in the future):
[1] Make illegal delivery of the vaping-related products to private (non-licensed business) parties; or
[2] Tax the living shit out of such product purchases as a significant dis-incentive to buy them; and/or
[3] Have a high sales tax that would (also, in addition) be applied.
My state already has [2] and [3], and it would not surprise me if they extend [1] to include vaping products.
In all cases, such deliveries (where the carrier must verify age) will significantly increase shipping costs, and the shipping records required be generated and held by USPS will ensure comprehensive tax enforcements. The private shipping carriers (when they will deliver “tobacco products” and such related things to private parties at all) appear to (already) be thoroughly all over the (tobacco product) records documentation thing. Ditto on credit card companies. They can and will make a prohibitive and expensive mess of things (just like with Cigs and RYO). Meanwhile, the kids will probably be increasingly endangered by illicit market products.
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Me too. I end up having to go pick up half of my vaping stuff from USPS because our driver won’t get off her lazy ass and ring the door bell. Just shoves a “tried to deliver” note in the mail box.
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You can rely upon your trusted local convenience store for all of your family’s adorable little lifelong vices:
Source: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIHJ1ZeUMAAfsOk.jpg
“Remember, Buster, no Marshmallow Pyrolysis dessert until you inhale all of your Carrots and Peas !”
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Reason Online Magazine (October 10, 2019):
“Restrictions Make Vaping the Next Lucrative Product Line for Cigarette Smugglers”
In Minnesota, as elsewhere, cigarette smuggling is well established. … officials have been trying to collect all of the revenue they believe they’re due since the middle of the last century. And as they’ve pushed the tax rate ever-further, the gap has widened between what they want to collect and what they actually take in. … illegally imported smokes now account for 34.62 percent of all cigarettes sold in Minnesota. That takes about a $300 million dollar bite out of revenue. … Minnesota has fueled a highly lucrative black market in tobacco products simply by raising taxes high enough to make it extremely profitable for small entrepreneurs and big criminal networks alike to smuggle in smokes from places where tobacco can be purchased more cheaply. … If high taxes on readily available goods create illegal markets, just imagine what happens under restrictions and outright bans that make products available (only) from illegal sources. As we’ve seen during Prohibition and with the War on Drugs, it drives willing consumers to underground dealers. … The legal changes are largely a perverse panic-driven response to health dangers posed by black-market vaping products containing THC as well as a witches’ brew of other, potentially dangerous, ingredients. By banning legal vaping products, officials seem set on driving people back to the already-smuggled tobacco that they abandoned for safer e-cigarettes, and to create a new black market for underground vaping products. … by conflating legal vaping products with black market ones, and e-cigarettes with tobacco, for the purposes of restrictions and bans, officials are delivering a large and lucrative market to underground operators who have a proven track record of defying laws and frustrating enforcers. Building that black market will very likely increase the dangers associated with goods produced and distributed by criminals rather than by legitimate businesses.
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PEG-400 would probably burn a little less (relative to Glycerin) for such “way down under” operations …
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