Pasting from the beginners diy eliquid group because I can’t figure this out myself!!!
Okay. I need all the mastermind mixers attention for few seconds. With all the flavor bans we are getting many new members that may have never mixed anything before. To help some of them that may not YET be comfortable with full blown DIY mixing. I wanted to put this out there. Pre-mixed nicotine vape juice blended. All you have to do is add your flavors (or a one shot concentrate in) I know of one company off the top of my head that has the pre-mixed blend (please link others if you know them below) These come in 6 or 12mg nicotine [https://www.vapewild.com/blended-nicotine-6mg/](http://Pre Mixed Blended Nic Base)
It seems like little or nothing surrounding (implicitly subjective) aesthetics is objective (and thus easy). It seems that “tobacco flavor note” is a compound as well as user-dependent unknown. No clear “baseline”. Even when deriving NET extracts from Tobacco leaves, resultant perceptions of “flavor components” can differ very significantly - “blend to blend”, as well as in terms of the dynamic “perceptual state of the user”.
This is why the current legislative drivel being generated in certain jurisdictions allowing flavoring that (they falsely imagine, universally) is subjectively perceived as having as “taste/aroma” of “Tobacco” has, upon creation, forged its own fetters in abstruse/amorphous language definitions - only workable/enforceable if/when various State administered “Flavor Registries” (of allowed and dis-allowed compounds) are created.
This is a kind of interesting approach intended for developing an (apparently not in some way mathematically organized, such as it terms of trigonometric angle relations, etc) “flavor wheel”. The groupings as charted, and as placed, appear to exist for the primary intended purpose of giving people “groupings” of descriptive terms (relating to thought to in some way be similar taste “notes”) for the purposes of describing “this and/or that” sensation associated with smoking (itself created for cigars, with perhaps some wider applications): https://www.famous-smoke.com/cigar-flavor-wheel
First, look at the inner groupings of Animal, Spices, Plant, and Other flavors. If your cigar tastes spicy, you can use the wheel to narrow the kind of flavor down to Sweet Spices, Dry Spices, Toasty, or Buttery. From there, a smoker will be able to derive and identify further specific notes and flavors that they may subjectively taste; overall, this flavor wheel features 176 specific tasting notes that range from general to very nuanced flavors.
It’s late here, I don’t know if I understand your question correctly…
Do you mean that if a new DIYer has a one-shot (or even a single flavor) and some pre-mix base, how to mix with that using the calculator?
I buy a 30pg/70vg base that is 6mg/ml. Most of my flavors have been in 100%pg solution so my final Mix would dilute my starting VG and nic amounts and increase my pg percentage. So my final juice might end up as 37pg/63vg @5.4mg/ml (this is just a made up example but should be close). The diluted difference in VG and nic have never been a problem for me because I just mix for myself.
As for using the calculator here, I input my base values but I check the “use Max VG” checkbox. My final recipie will show the flavors and correct flavor %'s but leaves the pg/VG/nic ratio an unknown. But you do know the total base %.
I still mix my own pre-mixed base sometimes but I start out with 20pg/80vg to endup much closer to a 30pg/70vg final mix.
My recipies usually vary in the amount of flavors so each final pg/VG/nic ratio is a bit different depending on total flavor %.
I do it for the convenience, it’s quick and easy and I don’t have to break out the big bottles of pg, VG, and nic very often. I usually make a liter of base at a time and divide it into 250ml or 120ml bottles for easy carry.
~20 mg/ml Nicotine, 50/50 PG/VG pre-made in 100 ml “chunks” - added to glass bottles in frig. (~50 *F). Adding 20% NETs (in PG) yields ~16 mg/ml Nicotine in ~ 60/40 PG/VG. Just “shake and vape”. 5-6 Watts.
The OP wants a method by which any particular (to them available) flavored e-juice that purports itself to be “Tobacco” flavor can co-exist in an interesting and not possibly lung irritating (as I personally found Vapage “Classic Tobacco” e-juice to be) mix with other components. My point (above) is that one can only work-up from an (actually aesthetically known) starting-point. There seems to be no (in any way objectively reliable) “taste/aroma” of “Tobacco” - thus, no “easy” way to just “plug-in and play” with somebody else’s ingredients.
The probability of many frustrating mixing trials surrounding the (mandatory, if applicable) presence of this or that vendor’s (emphatically!) so-called “Tobacco” flavored e-juice sounds (very possibly) more involved (and possibly less productive) than deriving NETs from the real deal. There, one begins much “closer to home” where it comes to flavor components. And it would make any Draconian State banning e-juice “flavorings” happy to make (a mere) dollar or two off your Tobacco purchases (but not of “favorite” cigarette blends, of course). Once accomplished, NETs are very cost-effective. Have Nicotine, PG, and VG supplies ? Good to go. It kind of makes good pragmatic sense. Buying Tobacco is (even in such jurisdictions) fully allowed by individuals. Bulk Nicotine seems to be the item to have good stock of (if able to place in kitchen “freezer”).
If you search the forum for premix, you’ll find a couple threads about this already. The “use vape-ready nicotine base” function doesn’t work as it should. You should untick the box and opt for Max VG instead, like Jim suggested to you. I’m sure this will be corrected in the future but I think Lars has bigger priorities with the site for the moment.
I just played with the nic level until I got it almost right. 6mg nic - 13% (flavoring) = 5.22mg nic in your final result.
When you mix, just check the line for total base liquid and you should be approximately right.