You might sub the cream out for creme de menthe… usage is between .4% up to 1% for this one…
or the same with this one… JAT
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I also enjoy this one… I make a 4oz around now so that by Christmas I have a good tobacco to take around for my friends locally to try
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Oh dear, since I abhor the stuff (menthol, not tobacco 
) I can’t really say, but if I would have to make that choice, I think I would go for FLV’s Red Burley.
I think it would really do well together with CdM.
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LOL, I’ll be honest. I vape pretty much nothing but tobacco flavors, and I gave up trying to clone a cig too! At this point, I wouldn’t want that cig taste back. The vape version of tobacco is so much better, to me.
I’ve been a Hangsen fan since my beginning, and something didn’t look right about Dirty Smooth. I had heard of the HS Smooth, but couldn’t figure out the Dirty part. I think that name is someone adding DNB to HS Smooth. At least that’s what I gathered from finding a couple of recipes in a search.
It’s all good. Tobacco talk always catches my eye, and I enjoy the threads!
Btw… 
for reactivating your beginner group. I’m sure the bans & upcoming FDA deeming regs have added a bit of desperation and panic on top of the normal beginner’s confusion. Good for you, for helping them out!
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It’s sad how much panic is out there. Along with that come a lot of people with no idea what they are doing and I’m thankful for places like ELR to help lead them.
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Update on Mrs. O.
Thanks all once again!!! She now has two kits and a pod.
- Pico X with a Berseker
- Hot pink Pico with a Gate
- Aspire ASP
She is a dual user at this point but has cut analog use at least by half and is happily vaping away. Went for a pretty good trek in the car on Thanksgiving and she only vaped!!! This is huge! The old Ogre couple vaping away crusin down the freeway. Can’t beat it.
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And she has a few shots coming from me too!! 
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How’s the transition coming for the Mrs? Still hanging in there?
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She is! and thank you for asking. Shes about 50/50 at this point. Each week more vaping and less smoking. Headed the right direction!
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Ok I can not stand it… has she tried anything I sent yet??? 
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Yes! Filled a tank with the tobacco blend tonight and she really likes it! Perfect timing. The next two days are dipping down in the teens and I expect she’ll be doing even more vaping, lol.
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Really??? LoL I am too happy…
Dd she get to try the Ogre juice, or are you bogarting that one?? 
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You just gave me an idea. I need to buy an mtl rta so she can try more flavors. Right now all her rta’s have other flavors in them. If she tries a dtl she chokes.
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I’ve done a NET using Black Cherry pipe tobacco by soaking it in PG. In fact I still have some sitting in my drawer with the tobacco still soaking 4 or 5 months later. Here is a recipe I made with it.
One of the employees at the local vape stores says it’s pretty delicious. Not a menthol cigarette, but tobacco none the less.
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There’s an idea, @SmilingOgre. Field dress a delivery guy and do an Ogre Style NET. Maybe them folks is vapable?
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Thank you sir!!! Very cool!
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I think that’s what @anon84779643 did in crafting Ogre Juice. I taste subtle hints of delivery person as well as door to door sales person in that mix.
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Hey snacks matter 
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Toss a couple Cuban cigars in there and you get bonus tobacco flavor even.
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I made this back in 2017 when tobacco flavors didn’t make me want to hurl. It was made for my adult son who was smoking black and milds
TOC’S Miles Away : https://e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe/1844753/TOC’S%20Miles%20Away
1.00% Almond (Mandorla) (FA)
4.00% Black Mile Plus (FE)
1.00% Vanilla Bourbon (Vaniglia) (FA)
1.50% Vanilla Custard v2 (CAP)
2.00% Vienna Cream (FA)
Flavor total: 9.5%
Remember to rate it at: http://tjek.nu/r/eJT3
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