Oh hell no, the DNA 200 is the friggin balls!
The Smok. . .well, I despise it. Completely useless for TC.
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Iād rather them rush a half-assed product at an entry level price, with upgradeable features, firmware updates, and being one of the first to offer SS supportā¦than PRESALE a product that canāt compete with their competitors product.
I got mine for $55 shipped 2 daysā¦and my patience is paying offā¦I also like the fact that Iām still running kanthal while the kinks are getting ironed out and the science about nickel and ti are coming to light.
For what I use it for right now, a dual 18650 regulated box mod with featuresā¦itās worth the $55 I spent. AND I really like my Koopor mini that I got for $32 shipped too!
From what Iāve gathered today, Smok ā s servers have been the problem with the app.
Iām still getting great results with it and the TFV4 with dual deck and 22ga Titanium. It rocks it really really good. But then again Iām one of the lucky ones who didnāt take it in the butt on this mod. Well, not entirely anyway. I have to admit even though I have one of āthe good onesā it still is all fupped duck when trying to use TC with Stainless. Tonight was the first night I got to really experience SS in action with temp control - yes - on my new DNA 200. Now I know what all the fuss it about. But the xCube - let me get one more DNA 200 and that thing will take my IPV2 Miniās place as a tester only 
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If you donāt know, these have been in the light for a while now. Vapers are just coming on board. The issue Iāve seen is the manufacturers are not loading these devices to work accurately. Smok being at the top of the list.
I really disagree with this. This is a headache for the consumer with the expectation of getting a fully functioning device. This is the reason I donāt buy these devices anymore.
I loathe Smok. There has been more problems with Smok devices than all other devices combined. People are being ripped off and donāt realize it. Ok some work close to whatās advertised. But their failure rate is off the charts. I do wish those that do venture in the valley of Smok good luck, because you donāt know if you have a good product until you fire it.
Youāre upset, Iāve read your posts, and Iāve read the othersā¦and we arenāt on the same page, and thatās okay, because we donāt all vape the same way.
Yall are chapters ahead of me, and I like that, because Iām able to learnā¦and patience is on my side.
Alot of you upset folks have or will have other tc devicesā¦shelf this one for a bit, quit getting so upsetā¦this wasnāt a $200 purchase, admit it was a affordable dual 18650 mod which promised alot of features.
I donāt have a lot of disposable income myself, but Iāve given away mods that cost more than this, and Iām sure others here have as well.
I could defend this product more, itās price point, and the broad range of vaping consumers that this product will appeal to and serveā¦but whatās the point?
Youāre upset and thatās your right as a consumer.
But if youāre really that upsetā¦return it, take it up with the company, wait for resolve.
Tell them the truthā¦you liked it so much you bought 2 of them and if they donāt fix it youāll continue to bash them online until your embarrassment from recommending it fades.
And yeah, I know vape time is like dog yearsā¦Iāve been following the nickel and ti wire threads and videos for months now.
Iām not jumping on the TC ti band wagon yet.
āOh the flavor!āā¦duh, titanium dioxide is a flavor enhancer! And what is the fear of ti wire??? Titanium dioxide! Itās not a cleaner, therefore a tastier vapeā¦itās flavor enhanced.
Iām not even jumping on SS yet, but it does have my interest peeked, just like TC does, hence the modest $55 dollar investment, which in my mind is like paying $55 for a presale, but instead Iām vaping the product as the company catches up with the affordable technology theyāve sent out.
I read hate about the M80 here often as well, my buddy has had one for a good while now. He likes his so much I had to have one, til I gave up trying to find one at the time, he still rocks his and I still wished I had one, till I saw the xcube2 for less $$ and purchased one instead.[edit]ā¦and speaking of the M80 and itās boohooāers, āitās not true TC!ā, who else was offering TC at the time of initial release??? And what was their price point? Did they do a better job? Really?
I paid more for my IPV2, and Iām pretty sure I paid damn near close to $55 for an MVP just about 6 dog/vape years ago.
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No Iām not upset at all. Just pointing the fact that I donāt like buying a product thatās not functioning properly. I waited a good bit before my second purchase of the EXCube2 and watched how members here said it was performing with the latest releases. Mine didnāt perform anything like it was described.
I helped some members get through the problems with the early releases. I also stated itās wasnāt a simple TCM and I donāt recommend it to less experienced vapers. Iām glad youāre happy with yours. You obviously got one of the good ones.If you had gotten one like mine you wouldnāt be so joyful.
BTW, I did finally get my refundā¦ I would have returned it but they donāt want it either.
People can vape whatever they choose. I only report my experiences. I trust Ti over all the others on the market and I know from experience it out performs them all.
I think itās dumb to comment on a subject that you have no experience with.
Youāre letting your inexperience show. Your comments are pure speculation. Is it you trust kanthal because thatās all you knowā¦ or because itās been around longer? If you look into the properties of all resistance wires you would know that Ti is least harmful because of itās properties.
Whether you know it or not, you ingest Tio2 everyday.
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I havenāt read your link as of yet, I will likely tomorrow.
With that said, my inexperience is my choice, and my reason is based on my own reading outside of forums that claim to deem it sage because they havenāt experienced any Iāll effects as of yet.
Yes there is titanium dioxide in food, as Iād stated, itās a flavor enhancer, not unlike MSG, itās an additive to boost flavor.
MSG isnāt really healthy either, but I certainly donāt wanna vape it! Even if it does make strawberry cream taste like vagina.
Read up about BREATHING titanium dioxide, no eating it, not wearing it, not having it as a surgical implant, or what itās riding characteristics are as a bicycle frame material.
This isnāt popcorn workers lung we are talking about here.
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I will and you read up on breathing iron rust.
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I put iron rust on my corn flakes shrug
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Done
"We conclude that inhalation of iron oxide particles did not cause an appreciable alteration of alveolar epithelial permeability, lung diffusing capacity, or pulmonary function in healthy subjects under the studied conditions."
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Ok, You can continue this senseless debate by yourself. I thought maybe youāve been fed a lot of false info and I was trying to put you on the right path. You obviously know all you need to know. I canāt help youā¦ so you just go and vape in fear of dying.
It looks a little outdated.
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Iām just trying to find humor in a serious subject. ā¦I also followed my corn flake post with a study link and their conclusion on iron rustā¦it was a short study on rust.
Here is a rather lengthy study on titanium oxide, but I canāt make too much sense of itā¦itās rather longā¦thank goodness Iām not breathing/reading it. The results donāt seem as favorable though, hmmmm?
Itās only senseless if neither of us learn anythingā¦I learned rust isnāt so bad shrug
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I donāt think TiO2 can be used as a flavor enhancer - I did find some google results, but they seemed speculative and not thorough or in-depth. TiO2 is non-toxic and completely inert. In the food industry itās used as a pigment, to make it whiter, more reflective and opaqueā¦ The only TiO2 that seems a bit dangerous is TiO2 nano-particles, and theyāre hard to make and very expensive.
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After a lot of reading things from a variety of sources, some authoritative and some questionable, and viewing videos from sources of similar merit, and some debate with PV and others over the use of TItanium, I had to finally draw my own conclusions. I think we all need to do that with everything we do, unless we just like having someone tell us what to do, not to do, whatever. And I did draw my own conclusions, and I am happily using Titanium.
But it seems that all the fear is predicated on 2 assumptions. First, that Titanium Dioxide is produced at all times, and that it will leave the coil when vaped. I did some rudimentary testing to see when TD would form on a coil - visibly. I wonāt really go into detail, just suffice it to say it was extreme temperature - far beyond that which I could ever comfortably vape. This settled it for me - it was the point I decided Ti was safe for me to vape.
What someone elseās point where they decide itās safe or unsafe is up to them. But personally Iām not the type to let the Chicken Littles of the world be my guide. And that is precisely whatās going on in the battle against vaping. The forces trying to stop vaping come in all different shapes and sizesā¦doctors and other health professionals, collegiate researches, etc. Even other vapers. And all of them are doing everything they can 24/7 to fight against the freedom for people to choose vaping whether that be to prattle on about Titanium Dioxide or Diketones, or to just plain lie about it all.
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@5prock3t, you seem like a smart enough person, but your really out of step with the vibe of this forum. I hope you take this as constructive criticism as I am not intending to be hostile. People here are not all defensive and confrontational. Here is some information, filter it through your brain for validation, and act accordingly. The same way you judge a recipe.
Firstly, Titanium Dioxide is NOT a flavor enhancer. That is flat out, incorrect. Please stop posting such things.
If you are worried about particulate leaving your wire you should probably read up on chromium. The thing about Ti is that ALL titanium is covered with TiO2. Titanium is a very reactive metal, so reactive that it is used as rocket fuel, like explosively reactive. . .thatās normally bad because it results in corrosion of the metal. However, as with aluminum, the oxide of titanium is so tenacious, so inert, well-bound, and complete in its encapsulation of the metal that titanium (and aluminum) are comparitively corrosion proof relative to most other metals. Kanthal, nichrome and notably stainless steel achieve their corrosion resistance by the addition of chromium, which essentially reverses or disallows corrosion chemically. That said, chromium is very bad for humans, yet we have all sorts of food storage, wine aging, and even medical instruments are stainless. These examples dont typically operate at elevated temperatures, but the vapor pressure of chromium is sufficiently low that it typically doesnt even contaminate delicate semiconductor crystals when stainless tubing is used to feed hot corrosive chemicals to the process. My point here is that you shouldnāt worry much about any wire used for vaping apart from nickel. Iāll bet you a payheck that no Ti particulate is leaving titanium wire. But if you are going to worry, worry about the very reactive and very toxic metal chromium being in your vape. It isnt in your vape, unless you are inhaling fumes from coil destruction by temperature, essentially welding temperatures. The next level down, I would worry about any particulate in my cotton. I do worry about that as I see dust when I tear it apart. . .so I switched to hemp and think it tastes better to boot.
Iām glad you are educating yourself on these topics and that you are happy with your cube. I think if you continue with an open mind youāll give titanium a shot and hopefully chill out a little bit and youll be a valuable addition to the forum. If you havent had a chance to check out a DNA200 or even one of the newer YiHi chips I think you might prefer their performance relative to the cube.
To one of your other points, I agree completely and have mech mods that cost more than Cube. I pre-saled a black one with a tank kit for $150. I dont think I got anywhere near what I paid for. Perhaps that is my fault. Like you I believe that the cube is worth $30-40 and in comparison I think the Efusion is very much worth $180.
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http://www.foodadditivesworld.com/articles/titanium-dioxide-pigment.html
āBesides being used as a food pigment, titanium dioxide is also used as a flavor enhancer to a lot of nonwhite food products like soups, beer, wine, nuts, dried vegetables, etc.ā
Thank you for the credit in educating myself, and Iām sorry, I have a habit of mirroring condescension that is directed towards me, as if Iām a fool for not drinking the koolade before doing my own research.
I know not to believe everything on the internet, but I take outspoken Internet experts less serious.
My bad, I set myself up for failure by stating a universal negative, which canāt be provenā¦leaving you able to find any misprint on the Web to āproveā your case.
Although you are clearly a highly educated materials scientist, unlike the ignorant redneck typing this, I think if you look into it further, the inert ingredient titania is very nearly unable to react chemically and that makes it pretty tough to enhance flavor. In the cases you have listed, my bet is that itās used as a non-caking agent for the seasonings applied to those products, so maybe itās a flavor enhancer enhancer.
Iām sure youād like the last word here, so I wonāt be responding further. Enjoy.
I found that on more than one āmisprintā(source).
I know Daath created these forums without any hard fast rules to abide by. But, he did give us some suggested behaviors such as:
- Advancing the discussion in a helpful manner
- Being agreeable even when disagreeing
We seem to be losing sight of that. This thread was at one time useful, as were a couple others. They seem to have gone off track. Any chance we can bring them back on topic while just agreeing to disagree agreeably?
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Continuing the discussion from My Thoughts on the DNA 200 Chip:
Iām replying here because the conversation in the other thread is about the DNA200 and the xCube is not one.
To answer your questionā¦No. With Ti coil builds the TC functions perfectly with the Cube for me. Iāve only really had erratic behavior with SS wire, but nothing like youāre describing. I have heard others mention the pulsing with this and other mods I just havenāt had it. Does it do that regardless of temp set or whether set to min, soft, normal, hard or max?
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