I just went and had a play at mixing those three in some water, you ain’t wrong its lovely. I might just do a mix using that combo and see what that’s like.
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You could just use the INW low as a backer/booster & have FA blackcurrant upfront? Say 1% INW, 2-2.5% FA + 2-2.5% FLV boysenberry? I also really like WF blackcurrant gumny & SSA blackcurrant but SSA is so similar to FA that i wouldnt even be able to tell which is which in a blind test, they literally taste like the same flavour(to me at least), also a touch of blackberry may help the blackcurrants? Maybe CAP @ 1-1.5%.
& yeah its fun to just have a mess around seeing how ingredients work with eachother etc, but when you want to get serious about getting it close to the OG, the best way i have found is to work one layer at a time then put them all together, like in your case, get the blackcurrant close, then the grape, then berries/other fruits etc & when you hit the notes in each section put them all together see what they’re like & tweak each layer until its properly balanced.
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Sounds like solid advice to me my friend. Well, when I’ve stopped bouncing around like a disobedient dog I’ll start knuckling down on this 
At the end of the day, if I really want to get close to this I’ve got to start getting way more methodical. Do you use FLV boysenberry and CAP Blackberry interchangeably? and are you of the opinion that CAP Blackberry is the one of the better blackberries to use?
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Its been a while since i used cap blackberry tbh, it was one i had a while back & for some reason i never got it this time around? But now its been mentioned im wondering why i never grabbed it? From what i remember it is a fantastic flavour & one i really liked & iirc it is one of CAPs stronger flavours? Im going to have to get it again now i want to try it in my dark berry recipe.
But its not interchangeable with FLV boysenberry, they are quite different flavours. & yes, i think cap is one of the better blackberries, although i cant say i have used any others tbh? I have SSA raspberry blackberry & a few different forest fruits/berry blends etc but no other straight blackberries.
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I think a lot of us go through something similar. Whether a Mrs, mister, or any concerned onlooker, they all think we’ve gone bonkers with obsession. Welcome to the forum and congrats on fast tracking your most recent fixation.
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So I decided to do a couple of experimental mixes separate from my main one involving the INW Blackcurrant, who knows, I might like this path better, In which case I’ll go down this road instead. I kept it even lower than suggested at 0.5% because it seems so potent to me, does it die down during steeping? because even at 0.5% its the dominant smell at the moment! Though I have turned down the volume on all the flavours to a more sensible level because I think I might be over flavouring and I think my main mix is going to be too saturated.
I did however keep FA Blackcurrant high at the top end of 3% which is what notes seems to indicate as front and centre in mixes, obviously that’ll depend on what other flavours are in the mix but it don’t seem that potent to me, unless of course I have a bad one but I did buy it from FA themselves. I’ve condensed the flavour count as well and kept the tropical section to just two flavours of FA pineapple and FA papaya.
Some experiments with water today, involving mixing FA Blackcurrant and FA Grape Concord together and trying the same but with CAP Concord Grape (Stevia), I’m convinced that the FA Grape Concorde is what I’m tasting in the original. Am I noticing an FA pattern here??? mmm. Out of all the grapes I have it’s the best fit.
I also kept the cream, yogurt and marshmallow up as I want that type of mouthfeel and also the sweetness that comes from marshmallow, as well as the super sweet.
Decided to give my FA blackberry a go as well in at 0.5% and another mix at 0.1%, HIC notes make me think that this might be is a solid choice here, kept it low as this is a potent flavour, 0.5% may be too much and some recommend as low as 0.1-0.2%, apparently one of FA’s most potent flavours. Kept the CAP Lemon Lime in to help fruits but it wouldn’t surprise me at this point if FA lemon Sicily would be a better fit, but I don’t have any of that. In fact, it would not surprise me if the CAP blackcurrant is an imposter here but it just seems so much of what I need or want, one of the two, or both 
Though in an earlier post I did allude to the fact that this didn’t have to be 1:1 copy, I know that’s more than likely impossible, but just something that I love equally as much.
Have not experimented with the boysenberry thing fully yet.
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Ok i see what you are trying to hit now a little more clearly, & i just did a quick search on “flavour description for rochford project black vine” & got this - The Rochford Project’s Black Vine is a complex e-liquid flavor that combines sweet blackcurrant and grape with a variety of other mixed fruits, including hints of berries, tropical fruit, and juicy apple. The mixture is rounded out with a slight creamy note to blend the fruits together.
Now if i were to attempt this, bear in mind i havent tried it, but if im picturing/imagining the flavours, this is the way i would go -
0.5% blackberry FA (maybe even 0.75%?)
4% blackcurrant FA
2.5% forest fruit FA
1% fuji apple FA
1% concord grape FA
0.75% pineapple FA
1.75% cream fresh FA
1% super sweet
I would try something like this just to see what notes were hit, whats missing etc. Then i would go from there, i think judging by the description & what you say, that blackcurrant, grape & mixed berries are the main players here, so i would probably end up bumping the blackcurrant or using another one to boost it? Bumping/adding another blackberry to help boost the blackcurrant? Maybe upping the grape or boosting that with INW grapes? I think forest fruit may be in there because this would add a mixture of multiple berries without the need for multiple concentrates &/or balancing the % of berries? But i would keep that low, maybe even consider 2%/1.5% if it sticks out too much? Its not a very strong flavour though tbh.
The “tropical” part / pineapple i assume is just an accent/nuance to add a little extra? So i would kedp that low depending how much it comes through? If its not enough/not right consider bumping the FA pineapple % or boosting it with INW pineapple, maybe even just swap it out for the INW if the notes dont line up right?
The “tropical” part might even be something like FA mango indian special or guava or something like that? You never know because combining certain flavours can sometimes have a completely different turnout to what you’d expect & end up creating a new flavour/notes altogether? & the cream it sounds like thats mainly being used as an emulsifier? Which leads me to believe it may even be a whipped cream??
But either way i think you may already have the majority of the right flavours there, its just a matter of hitting all the notes. I would recommend trying to keep the flavour count to as little as possible, try to use flavours that would hit multiple notes with 1 ingredient, like forest fruit for example, then squash the recipe down a little & bump the %'s, commercial mixers quite often push flavours way higher than what elr/atf recommends as the average % & then account for that/counter with like 1.5-3% super sweet. & they also very rarely go over 8 flavours for a recipe, rochford however are known for their complexities but i still doubt that they used over 10 ingredients, try to simplify it as much as possible first, ie just mix up a blackcurrant, blackberry & grape recipe first, get all those notes as close as you can & then build upon that simplified version by adding in say the “tropical” part/pineapple/apple etc. I think this is the way you would get closest? It may seem like the long way around at first but i assure you, doing it this way is faster than trying to hit & balance everything at once. We are all here to help however we can anyway if you’re ever stuck or need advice on ingredients etc. I wish you all the best though & i really hope you hit your mark quickly.
sidenote - Also, i would recommend just making 10ml testers & make a couple different variations at a time, this way its no big deal if a mix doesnt go right.
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Just want to say thank you so much for taking the time to share your valuable insights, It helps massively.
Funny you should mention FA forest fruits as I ordered some last night lol think I was thinking the same thing there. The notes I’m reading on forest fruit seems bang on to me. Got a 50ml bottle because I feel I’m going to be using it in many other recipes if it doesn’t work out in this one.
Another funny thing you mentioned was emulsifier, as I was thinking about this just last night but it was because I was reading about TPA dragon fruit having some things inside it that act as an emulsifier, I was trying to decide whether it maybe part of the tropical aspect of this juice, I decided not to buy some at the moment but there is definitely a extremely smooth blending of flavours going on here and a creaminess.
Is whipped cream almost exclusively used for that effect? which do you recommend? Or will what I’ve done already achieve a similar thing? Whipped cream is another one I don’t have.
yeah, I feel this is going to be a long journey, It’s arguably not the best place to start my DIY journey, but without the motivation of trying to clone my favourite juice, I don’t think I would of took the leap. Now I’ve made a start I feel I have more confidence and I feel like you and others are teaching me some extremely valuable insights and I thank you again for sharing your wisdom.
I got what I feel are three pot shot tries steeping away, I’ll see what they yield and I’ll start following your advice even more closely.
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TPA dragon fruit is an excellent emulsion tool, even used very low at 0.2%. 1-2 drops are enough per 30 ml.
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Got a feeling that dragon fruit would be a perfect fit in the tropical section of this profile and might just have the emulsifying effect I’m looking for. I got high hopes for the forest fruits as well. To me, this is not like fruits just placed in some cream, there’s not that separation, it’s more like they’re somewhat melded together, but beautifully so, and in a way that it’s kind of difficult to pick things out individually. Nothing seems overly bright or vibrant or colourful and is subdued. which is why I’m thinking that including lemon will only do the opposite of what I’m trying to achieve, so I’m thinking leave that out.
There is also a fair amount of sweetness in this, not loads, now I know the perception of sweetness is a relative and subjective thing, most would say this is sweet but not overly sweet, to me it’s quite sweet because I’ve become used to having lower amounts of sugar because I’m a diabetic, but I love sweetness, and I love it in this. I learnt sweetener at lower levels enhances flavours in e-liquids but too much can start to mute flavours, but it makes me wonder if this juice contains an upper level of sweetness to achieve exactly that, a deliberate and slight muting or dulling of flavour to further give that impression of the melding of flavours.
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An interesting thing I’m noticing with my mixes, and I can’t be 100% conclusive at this point because mine are not fully steeped, but they seem to be singing and smelling with flavour, however when I smell and taste the original it’s far less in your face, it just got me thinking about the moreish nature of this juice, could it be that for something to be moreish, not only has it got to taste good, obvously! But you have to give a little less to keep you wanting more? Because it seems to me that the flavour in the original is just about peeking over the creams and sweetness enough to be present but only just enough to keep you wanting more. It’s kind of the crafty flavour crafting thing I’d expect tbh. Is that a crafting technique In the world of juice making? Thinking of trying some batches with the volume turned down on things.
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Considering moving on from this, finding it too hard! Can see these tries are going in the wrong direction and a bunch of taste testing I’ve been doing, I just can’t nail it down. Sometimes I think I’m close but…no! That’s not to say that my attempts are horrible, but they’re not black vine. Not even really sure that the original stuck to one vendor for flavours, feeling a little defeated and think I need to gain far more experience, might need to try altogether different recipes and find other ADV’s
I honestly can’t believe out of all the recipes and clones on ELR that no one has tried to take a stab at cloning something like black vine, or any of the Rochford Project line. Obviously subjective, but it truly is a gorgeous vape, but then I suppose a lot of people who come into DIY mixing come in from all sorts of angles that isn’t mine, plus I know a lot of people on here live outside of the UK and can’t get hold of this juice. It’s a shame as I’m sure there’s a lot of people, wall to wall with flavours and tonnes of experience who would taste this and probably be able to pick out what might be in this.
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I dont like grape or sweetners in a juice and theres only a few fruits ill vape so while in the UK im not about to purchase this to help with your quest but i have found a review as below which might help.
Ive looked at your attempts and really think you ought to strip it back to the main flavours and build from there.
Inawera blackcurrant 2.5% as the base would be where id start followed with cap double apple, raspberry or strawberry as the berry and maybe pineapple as the tropical slipping a grape in there last.
On vaping, The Black Vine is a fresh blast of fruits. The Blackcurrant is the leader on the inhale, but that is topped off by a really nice blend of fruits. The grape is tasted in there, alongside some other fruits; possibly a touch of Berry and another more Tropical taste. One fruit that pops out on and after exhale is an juicy Apple flavour. The fruits are rounded together with a slight cream, not too much, but enough to blend all the fruits into it’s own taste. This is a really tasty E-liquid and not over-sweet, making it a great all day vape. Cloud production is good at 70VG and there is zero synthetic taste to the mix. Yet again, another amazing juice from Jay and The Rochford Project.
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reka / wrecka has some really unique flavors including my favourite sexy mango
i have heard great things about their black currant
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Dont give up, just strip it down to bare basics as mentioned, get the main player right first (blackcurrant), then work on the next most noticeable flavour & so on, then put them all together. Just dont make this your ‘only’ goal, make it like a side project or something & create your own recipes as a main project. It will come to you eventually, one day you will test a flavour/recipe & think “this is it, thats whats in black vine”.
I think its the price of the rochford project liquids that puts people off even trying it tbh, especially to a DIYer they would see the price & be like “f*#k that i could buy 10 new flavours for that price” 
. The people that buy liquids like rochford project are usually the ones that are heavy into the hobbyist/collecting side of vaping with high end mods/atties/boros etc & most of them dont DIY.
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Don’t give up. Like others said, don’t let that one and only juice be your only adventure. Work on trying to make something in that ballpark and you’ll come up with something that hits the spot.
I’ve been working on a grape juice that was discontinued back in 2016 or so, and still haven’t come close! So I went a totally different direction and created a juice that I’ve been vaping every day for the last 3 or 4 years now.
You can do it! 
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Yeah, I think everything you said there is absolutely spot on, and thank you for the encouragement. I started to get sick of paying the high prices for the liquid, and I’m glad I took the leap into to DIY. I made everything else about the hobby cheaper, especially learning how to make my own coils and I’m determined to stick at DIY liquid making, there are so many great recipes on here and I have plenty of flavours in my stash to be getting on with. I will do just as you suggested and see this a side project, the plus side is that I have learned so much already and will carry on trying to sponge every amount of information I can.
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Thank you, Yeah I need to take a similar direction to you. I just need to think, make an ADV, make an ADV!
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Don’t give up, there was a juice called white lotus by mountain oak vapor that took a long time to find, and the juice that got me into vaping many years ago. The secret ingredient was cookie dough, thanks to @grainger
Asking for a clone we haven’t tried is like asking to draw a picture we’ve never seen. You can get it, just do smaller batches and let it steep.
Also, companies may be throwing alot of sweetener in it too, to cover up really basic flavors. Do you have a picture of the bottle or it’s flavor profile?
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