short fill eliquid: a complex mix of black currant and grape and unique combination of mixed fruits.
No more than 20% flavor concentrates
70/30 vg/pg mix.
One thing I’ve learned with juice vendors and many months of winning clone juice contests is to take the vendor label at face value as much as you can, especially the ordering of the flavors.
a complex mix of black currant and grape and unique combination of mixed fruits.
turns into…
black currant, grape, mixed fruits.
No more than 20% flavor concentrates
Flavor
Brand / Source
%
Blackcurrant
FlavourArt (FA) or The Perfumer’s Apprentice (TPA)
6%
Grape (Juice or White)
FlavourArt (FA) or The Perfumer’s Apprentice (TPA)
5%
Forest Fruit
FlavourArt (FA)
6%
Fuji Apple
TFA or your preference
2%
I haven’t used, or seen used, forest fruit in a long time, but it was also the go-to on mixed berries, i think it used to be called harvest berry at one point.
Separately if the vendor didn’t list a cream, they probably didn’t use a cream. What you might be sensing it something probably like cotton candy, smooth, sour, or some sort of damper to mix it.
If they use cream, then they’ll smear it all across their label like “this is the creamiest creamy cream that’s ever creamed”.
Take this all with a grain of salt that I don’t list sweetener, it makes a great juice awesome, but doesn’t make a good juice great. It also burns coils like no bodies bidness. Try to get the flavor profile down before digging with sweetener.
That’s a really good point about the cream, if it was in there then surely it would be mentioned, I mean they mention In the others they do.
It’s funny you should mention cotton candy because that’s exactly one of the break throughs I think I’ve made, that’s exactly what I thought I was tasting quite early on but put it to the back of my mind, it’s only when watching a video on Ethyl Maltol It all started clicking. I think they have used it to flatten and subdue some of the flavours as well, I’m thinking somewhere between 1-2%
I think you’re absolutely right about the simplicity of this and I’ve been dragged kicking and screaming to that conclusion. I think I’ve been making every damn rookie mistake in the book. I have a few way more sensible mixes steeping and I’ll see how they turn out. Still think I could simplify it more though.
I think I’ve been making every damn rookie mistake in the book.
We’ve all been there. Just be patient with it, most of the fun is the journey. I started mixing to make that white lotus juice, and i think it was easily like two years before it was found, by someone else. You’ll get it.
After reading that series of posts, it left me wondering…could you please specify what your final version of that recipe was please? Sounds amazing. Thanks in advance!
Hi there from facebook. I will have to try that molinberry blackcurrant as I don’t have any. I do have the INW Grapes but I don’t think it’s a good fit, there’s not an outwardly obvious grape in the original, and I think it’s basically a small percentage of something like FA Concord Grape and the natural grape like profile of the blackcurrant that’s at play here. Jay of the Rochford project sent out samples to various YouTube reviewers and on one of the reviews he commented and alluded to the fact he only used a little bit of grape as it can easily be overpowering. INW Grape is certainly that, even at low percentages.
I’m still working on the clone though, but I will try you’re recipe when I get some molinberry blackcurrant.
Yes I will remove the INW grape next batch and replace with maybe Fa Bilberry or even something less dominant. Obviously this isn’t a clone or even close. I’ve never tried this original juice but its been a fun profile to play around with. I’m gonna get chipping away at it until I feel its in the amazing all day vape zone. I’ll keep you posted when I’m happy with the final version. But I’ve done about 5 mixes so far and that one I posted has been the most enjoyable by far.
Sounds really good. It could be that a weaker grape like TFA Grape juice was used but at a really low percentage, whatever the case it’s not obvious and it’s blended seamlessly. It’s a really difficult one to nail down but I guess like you said it’s probably enough just to play with the profile and arrive at something amounting to an ADV without necessarily aiming for a clone.
