There are additives or flavors out there that resemble lightly burned tobacco or ashy hints. I don’t know them, off hand but @TorturedZen, being the resident flavor nazi might, no offense meant, TZ, lol.
I know there is an additive called Flash that is supposed to give a throat hit like cigarettes…? However, some of the flavor notes aren’t favorable.
I’ll just say that in my opinion FA Flash is not worth trying as to me it added absolutely nothing.
I tried it with a tobacco, on its own @3% and even mixed my normal 20mg and Flash @3% and it tasted exactly the same.
Just thought to add that I find Inawera DNB adds some ash/smoky flavour but I wouldn’t like to overdo it. I have tried DNB on its own @3% and it was vapeable.
That’s an interesting idea about toasting any tobacco first too. Not even thought of it personally.
Yeah I’ve heard about flash, and see it recommended as a throat hit additive, but even if it had throat hit that wouldn’t add the burning tobacco flavour.
I spose the only way to try my admittedly random idea would be with a home made NET, since iunno: a person could spend a ludicrous amount of time and waste countless flavours trying to imitate the taste of smoking tobacco but I would think partially burning real tobacco before steeping would be the most effective starting point.
How is another thing of course: I mean if you’re charring or toasting said tobacco should it be only heated until it’s started browning-up? Until it’s got black bits or actual ash scattered through it?
I would further visualize that any actual black or ashy bits would be a waste anyway since if it’s turned to charcoal then that’ll only absorb flavours - not impart them.
So like, heated to the point of the tobacco being smoked, but not literally burnt might caramelize the plant material enough to enrich it or give it that authentic smoking tobacco flavour…
Iunno, it was a random thought I had earlier today and figured I’d check or ask or just write it down
Most likely and most often, the natural inclination would be that anyone about to chuck a bunch of tobacco in some PG or similar might be a little more than hesitant to be cooking that tobacco first for fear it’ll be damaged or whatever, though it’s not like they’d need to worry about losing nicotine since that’s easily changed after the extraction.
A few years ago, I had a similar idea. I spread some pipe tobacco about a half inch deep on a tray, and put it in a toaster oven, for some light ‘toasting’. At the first sign of the slightest wisp of smoke, I took the tobacco out.
I then soaked the tobacco in some PGA (Everclear). I don’t remember how long I left the tobacco in the PGA. Probably a month or so. Then put it through the filtering process. First a coffee filter, then a 1.5 micron filter, using a vacuum pump.
The results were meh… so so. I didn’t see any flavor advantage over the same tobacco without the ‘toasting’ stage.
It’s been a while since I’ve done any tobacco extractions. I went back to synthetic tobacco flavorings. To be fair, I just used tobacco from a local smoke shop, and not from the higher quality mail order tobacco establishments. With high quality tobacco, I’m sure my extraction results would have resulted in better concentrate.
I still have my extraction & filtering gear. The way rules, regs, restrictions are tightening up, if the synthetic tobacco flavors get choked off by the puritans, I can go back to extracting.
I never thought about the wok / stir fry aspect. Give it a shot. Experimentation is what it’s all about!
That seems like a pretty solid answer to the question: even just using tobacco from a local shop you’d have had an idea what it tasted like smoked top judge the difference.
Maybe with a PG steeping the flavour may have come out different to the everclear, though I don’t imagine there’d be that much difference - if near pure alcohol didn’t extract a burnt taste, I wouldn’t think PG would do better.
If you’re looking to add that ‘ashiness’ to tobacco flavorings, There’s a few additives you can use. Inawera makes a DNB (Dirty Neutral Base) additive. There are also some Tobacco Absolute flavors out there.
Flavor Art makes a Black Fire flavoring that imparts a ‘smoky’ aspect. Potent stuff. Tire Fire might be more accurate, but that’s just my take.