My 1st thought is to sub for FA Coconut. But working with what you have I suggest using the TPA Coconut at lower %s because it is strong, (kinda what I call an upsteeper as it seems to get stronger as other flavors settle or fade). My second opinion is I’ve read several times that TPA Coconut is like shoe polish when used at higher %s.
Like others are saying, for me personally I can’t use the coconut extra… even a very small amount and it is the only thing I can taste in a mix, I would drop it to a very low percentage (you can always go higher later with it). Also while Pyure is a good sweetener I see your using both it and another sweetener, if it was me I’d look toward using a sweet coconut and possibly a sweet cream (thinking on the order of sweet thick coconut milk like you would use to make an actual pina colada with) and then drop one or both of the other sweeteners.
Unfortunately, TPA is all I have right now. It isn’t bad at 1% at all, but it is strong. Shoe polish would be no bueno. Ack! Thank you.
I think I will drop the coconut to .4 or so to start with. When I order some more flavors I will look into another coconut or 2. If I dropped the sweetener and just used the Pyure, would .5 be enough? I was basing the decision to use both from the first batch. The 1% sweetener was there, but barely. I was hoping the Pyure would boost that a little while adding a little pop to the fruits. Does Pyure gunk coils like other sweeteners?
I’ve used Pyure a few times (I tend to stick with Marshmallow, Sweet Cream, and/or condensed milk to sweeten (toasted marshmallow is great but probably not for what your mixing)). Too much Pyure can give the juice sugar lips so I would go slow on upping it’s percentage until you’ve played with it so and see when/if you start hitting that sweet limit. I have not noticed my coils gunk up when I had used it though.
The most I see in most of my recipes that have Sweetener in it… 1% is the max I’ve used
A little something to help you research flavors before your next flavor order…
Thank you, Tut.
That looks like a great post. I will definitely read through that, thank you very much.
A bit of info from others using Pyure around this post…
Yeah i think .5% is a fair starting point. You might even want to go just a tiny but lower.
Thank you guys for the input. How does this look?
Coconut Extra (TPA) 0.4%
Liquid Stevia (Pyure) 0.4%
Pineapple (TPA) 2%
Sour (TPA) 1%
Strawberry (Ripe) (TPA) 4%
Strawberry (TPA) 4%
Strawberry Shisha (INAWERA) 1%
Sweet Cream (TPA) 1%
Sweetener (Sucralose/Maltol) (TPA) 0.5%
IMO from my experiences with sweeteners, you only need 1… the Pyure is far superior to the TPA sweetener. At .5% Pyure is all you’ll need. You can add the TPA later if you feel a need to, but I don’t see where it’s needed. Your coils will thank you later. Simpler is sometimes better.
EDIT: I also noticed you increased the Sour by .5%. That also isn’t needed. It kinda cancels out some of the sweetness.
Good point. .5% pyure is very sweet (imo). Its a different kind of sweetness than artificial sweeteners, its hard to describe… But the pyure by itself might very well be plenty.
Thanks for cosigning my comments. I’m known to speak out of turn sometimes, but it’s great when we agree on some things.
Just on a side note. Some mixers have a problem mixing @ .2% or lower, but for some flavors it’s really all that’s needed for a slight influence on a mix (what I call the MF zone). But for some flavors (even some TPAs), that’s all that’s needed… coconut extra being a prime example (it’s not very forgiving).
You are right. I need to remember that mixing is similar in concept to cooking. Sometimes a little of a spice goes a long way. Thank you for the advice and tips. I appreciate any and all the help I can get. There is a lot to mixing well and a fairly decent learning curve, but if I can find 1 or 2 mixes that we like enough to vape, we can stop buying juice and experiment with and learn more about mixing.
As you implied earlier…sometimes less is more. I have always applied that to playing music, but it seems as it would apply to mixing at times too.
Continue bearing the comments after your post I quoted (but before my reply here) in mind, as I think they offer sound advice. But having read through all the comments before replying (this time), I’m actually quite surprised that no one has suggested what I’m about to.
Personally, you’re attempting what I would consider a “dual lead note” mix. In so much as, if it were me, I would want to taste the strawberry on equal footing with the Pina Colada portion. That’s a bit tougher to do than just an ordinary single flavor lead, and secondary notes.
I would probably suggest nailing down the Pina Colada aspect first, as the strawberry will be easier to balance into it later. That’s just me though, and YMMV.
The other key thing that I wanted to mention was that to my taste buds you have the emphasis on the wrong strawberries. (But I only suggest this from a gut impression that you haven’t done any SF testing -or I doubt you would be having some of the issues you’re experiencing/asking about. Please Forgive me if I’m wrong about that) Anyways, my suggestion would be to try the following with regards to the strawberry aspect:
Strawberry (Ripe) (TPA) 2%
Strawberry (TPA) 2%
Strawberry Shisha (INAWERA) 3%
Shisha is a much brighter “star of the show” (taste-wise), and I would use 1.5% FA strawberry with it instead of the two TFA. But… as above, and since we already know you have those three in stock, I would say keep them there as your accents, and dial the Ina up to let it take it’s ‘rightful place’ (doing the heavy lifting for the strawberry portion).
Again, just my thoughts!
You would actually be correct in your assumption that I have not tested all my single flavors. The strawberries would be included in those. I am new to mixing and this recipe was based off of one I found on this site. That said, I do understand the need to test each flavor individually, but I have not taken the time to do all of the flavors I have. I guess I was trying to cheat the learning curve. I was hoping to be able to learn from other’s recipes and flavor notes, at least enough to find a couple of juices that would fill the gap until I could test and experiment more. I just need to stop paying for commercial juice, it is way too expensive.
I actually have a couple of other strawberries as well. I like strawberry. Lol. I have Sweet Strawberry (Cap) and Sweet Strawberry (Jungle Flavors) as well. I am planning to mix a couple of versions of this today, so I will try adjusting the strawberry and see what works best for me. I am open to anything in order to achieve a good result.
Hopefully once we get moved and settled in, I can find the time to test all of my single flavors (I will need a lot more small bottles…lol). In your opinion, what is the best method to test single flavors (at least a starting point)?