So i have been playing around with vape train sahara tobacco it is a great tobacco flavour and one of the best i have tried yet imo. It is ashy darker tobacco and i get hints of a chocolate or caramel in the back with some nice ashy notes there is one problem with it that i never thought i would say but it is to SWEET especially for what i like in a tobacco (dark and ashy). I need some suggestions to un sweeten it and make it more dry with out compromising on its tobacco flavour to much.
fa bitter wizard is sometimes used to unsweeten a juice but i’m not sure if it would work well with tobaccos…
Have you tried it at a lower percentage? Sometimes these sweeter back notes only come out at higher percentage.
Here are a couple of things you could try, of course as always start low and see how it goes, unless you want the specific taste of some of the suggestions to be prominent in your juice/tobacco.
VT Bitter (haven’t tried FA, might be the same as suggested already above)
TFA Sour (or any malic acid you might have)
Any kind of lemon/lime, as long as it isn’t a candy or sweet by itself flavor, my go to is FA Lemon Sic. & FA Florida Key Line, but pick whatever. Citric Acid probably works the same if you got that.
VT Rhubarb Compote… Yep at low percentage it gives just a hint of tartness, that can break through sweetness, again careful because too much and you’ll taste it.
VT English marmalade (not in your case probably since you taste strawberry/kiwi instead of blood orange
FA Tomato ripe
A cheesy/sour cheesecake/yogurt/cream can also help cutting this sweetness out. But here you always run the chance that you still get the “creaminess/bakery” note, which in some cases might not be bad with tobacco?
Distilled Apple Cider Vinegar.
What I am trying to say is, bitter/sour/nutty/savory can break sweetness in juices, some flavors/additive better than others, however with that in mind, look at your stash and see what you got that would have these criteria s and play around with them.
I have vta sour mate i will try some of that i also heard today off @Jennifer_Jarvis a mix of sour wizard and bitter wizard may work.
Besides what everyone else has already suggested, have you tested the flavor a little lower, and find there’s no sweetness? If so, I would maybe try to use that as the max, and then try to boost up the aspects of the flavor that you do like. So, say you find that you can tolerate the sweetness at 2%, but you really liked the ashy and dark notes from when it was at 4%, then try it at 2% with maybe some INW DNB and Black for Pipe. I don’t think I’ve seen any of the VTA tobaccos sold here in the states (I also haven’t made a flavor purchase in a while, so I don’t know if they can be found), so I haven’t tried any of them.
This one is definitely starting to hit the mark but will do another with the sahara tobacco at 2% i think the dnb is definitely helping tone down the sweetness in the mix and possibly the ap as well
You can add “earthy” to that list…
I’m not big on tobaccos, but looking at what you mix, don’t you have anything like that? Perhaps mix in a tea, coffee, cocoa, other tobaccos, woody or smokey stuff or something like that.
If you’re only going to use 1 of the tools, you may need too much, which can alter your main flavor profile. Using little bits of a couple tools could probably save the day…
If I were you, I’d just mix up a 30ml test batch or so, divide it in small testers and start adding drops / vape it / play with the ratios to see what effect it’s going to have.
Yer thats pretty much what i have done the testers with out the ap and dnb were to sweet. There is still a slight sweetness but nothing to drastic i made a 30ml of the recipe above last night and have been vaping it today and i am super happy with it. Might change the name tho as its not really a cigar its more like a camels cigarette i think lol been a while since i had one