VSO flavors / Best Before buy dates/ Flavrz strength etc

Yes, I know you can. Hopefully they will be out of business soon…

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I dont want to get in a back and forth at all. But i can slap a best before date on anything doesnt mean its accurate. I am talking about my own personnel experience with over diluted commercial used concentrates. Even the company i bought them from said they are only half a shelf life of 6 months to a year. So i highly doubt you found some magical way to give you a two year lifespan i say congrats. But im sure most places you sell them to use them up rather quickly so you wouldnt know. Weak= short life span. As the flavors will fade within the pg mix. Ill take the word of the company i have bought from as they do sell regular concentrates and commercial eliquids. They know what they are talking about. They been making liquids for businesses in the uk for years. The only way to truly find out is to let it sit just leave it there all by itself and test the bb date. Until then you really dont know what the shelf life is.

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Sorry but have to disagree, and whilst you may have some knowledge on the matter does not mean that you have the correct information. For ALL Best By dates have to comply with Food Labelling, Food Safety Standards and in our case ISO22000.

To set you straight ALL FOOD INGREDIENTS must be fully LAB tested to COMPLY with any Standards.
We do ours inhouse and they are audited under that various STANDARDS… yes there is more than one.

There is NO GUESS work (why have one at all if this was the case or your statement was correct about fading??) on a best by date, they are lab tested under BS/ AS or relevant standard (British Standards or Australian Standard etc). Best By dates are about food safety and compliance.

Whilst we agree with you about flavour fading over time, this is a USER ERROR issue. As the flavours WOULD not have been stored correctly or to the manufacturers specification. Yes this happen but it is always an issue with USER ERROR not reading the label or instructions.

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I think you are confused on when best by date is. You are just taking a written response. Best by a certain date gets them covered if it goes bad or before. So for example you buy bread which has a best by date. So you buy it on the 14th bbd is 18th but even after keeping the bread bag closed securely the bread is now hard on the edges working its way towards middle. Now even though you keep the bag secure and remove the air from it its still happens. Why? Because you introduced air into it when you opened it. You have now started the degradation of that product. As with concentrates every time you squeeze the bottle to dispense the said concentrate you introduce air into the bottle. Its not user error its just the chemical make of the concentrates that degrade quicker when they are not in their true form. So if you refine the hell out of your flavorings at cost reducing process and the end you refine the shelf life of that said flavoring. All i am trying to explain when you refine them to the point you need 15-20ml to 100ml and suspended in pg the flavor will fade. Many fw concentrates i have used at 15-20% and unfortunately the flavor does fade if i dont use them in a timely manner. They will lose there potency once that bottle is opened.

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Again why there is a best by date … Appreciate your point of very, though will have to disagree with your point of view

Best By date and Used by Dates

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You missed raising one UK point: BBD (Best Before Date) is required on all consumable products regardless of how much merit it has after that date (so many have opted for the 2-3 year range). For example, honey and Lea & Perrins’ need to list a BBD but honey never fails and Worcestershire sauce only improves with age.

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Because it is mandated by government for food safety. You are selling a food product not a vaping product.

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Best by date is not a guarantee. Its just a saying. Its just a regulatory marking. Look all im saying is you really put me off everything that revolves around you and your concentrates you pointed out over and over it would be USER ERROR!!! The fact is that was such a business response as the customer is at fault. And thats wrong. Its obvious you never understood basic chemistry. Wish you the best bud. But others who you sent these concentrates have not been as favorable as sessions reviews. And honestly using his high profile name to push your stuff might not go as plan for you. But again wish you luck

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I can see your reasons to be unhappy. Although, I just suggest having a short break to gather your thoughts in order to distance yourself from emotional responses.

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So e liquids are not food product? as they are consumed by humans and contain all food ingredients? ALL PRODUCTS no matter the category MUST MEET LABELING LAWS. My question is that a Beer or Liquor is a alcohol product… is this not a food product that is consumed? or different to a soft drink or soda that is 0% alcohol.

Even your dog or cat food will have to comply, and it is not a for human consumption product. … interesting view.

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How did the VSO a thread turn into a Flavz thread, smh @fidalgo_vapes ….

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And a Best Before thread… :rofl: :rofl:

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I dont even know where to move the shit around to …We have VSO / Flavrz/ Best buy dates etc…Istarted moving stuff around and gave up and renamed thread completely… What i should do is delete the entire thread…

I had a start to a best before dste thread about to start , then i thought i shiuld throw that stuff in the Flavrz thread but thats supposed to be a Flavrz notes thread…

Then i was going to delete everything except VSO comments but thought the Best Before conversation was a good one , but it didnt flow exactly right if i didnt add other comments blah blah blah…

What i should have done is moved the original post to the first thread that mentioned VSO being at Nomz which i will do including moving posts where they seem they should go and starting a new thread about best before date lol :face_with_head_bandage::face_with_head_bandage:

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What a pain, I don’t envy your job and I appreciate all that you do.

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Lol , thank you …

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We are not eating or drinking it so no eliquid would not apply with nicotine. And vape companies in the states before all the regulations put a bbd on bottled liquid with nic. They knew that it would degrade. You are just throwing it on to comply not that you know what the true bbd is. As you have tested it.

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Good move @fidalgo_vapes. The VSO testing thread was getting bombed, and then it morphed into FLAVRZ BB Dates, etc. Good job.

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Back onto vso flavors. Its been two weeks since i mixed this up.

So i bet your wondering how it was. Was it good? Was it a flavor factory? Well it was not lol. The chemical and odd tastes that i got from the caramel and cake are the stars of this mix. The chocolate is so faint at the front end you can barely notice it. And then it transitions into a slight hint of caramel and totally bypasses anything that would be considered cake. Then those off notes from caramel and cake take front and center. I tested on my pulse 24 dual coils at .25 ohms and on my supreme v3 mesh deck and both presented the same exact awful way. So i was like hey im gonna try this on the GV zues mesh rta and it was worse on that. Picked up more off notes then any possibility there was flavor in it. So yeah im at a loss. Ill let it sit two more weeks and see if the odd tasting leaves and maybe it resembles anything of flavor. But as its going and the flavor loss from week 1 to week 2 im doubting it will ever be a vapable product. I had hope but it went down like a building in a earthquake

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OK Herę we go im back From me travels i got my order shipped Of vso on The 6 th may From nom nomz ive got The choclate And The cake For The test how many ml And at what % do you All want me to test them at

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I tested cake at 3.5% and 7% did chocolate at 3.5% and 6% they where similar at both at 1week but it just faded at 2 week mark. Sad really. I think after the mix i did id try chocolate at 10% and cake at around 8% as the % i did in that recipe the off taste was worse

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