I’m sorry to hear of the loss of your father, I’ve been there, I know the pain, and if that’s what’s driving you to make this site and help people avoid the same fate at the hands of that horrendous disease then, total respect.
But you’re doing it to make money, and unless that money is going to cancer research then I don’t fully understand your motives. I’m not knocking you, that’s not me, but what I really can’t get my head around is that at the end of the day, you’re on this forum, touting for people to spend less time on this site and more time on yours, which I would imagine is the catalyst for the defensive reaction you encountered from the regulars here? I mean ultimately that is your goal is it not? for people on here to pay a subscription to you to try something else that you made? so they won’t be here, they’ll be there? so then this site suffers? I mean I don’t know about anyone else but I don’t have as much time as I would like to spend just here let alone on 2 sites, so I for one…If I subscribed…would feel obliged to get my money’s worth and spend the time I do have on your site?..It just all seems a little underhand, to sell your product here?. It might be just me, and like I said I’m still green around here so my opinion doesn’t really carry any weight with anyone, but I can totally understand why people have reacted the way they have, it’s not hate, it’s just loyalty.
I do it cause I love mixing, it seems to be pretty good way to get back at cancer, as a thing to get me thinking about something other than that, and its fun creating new things or learning why current things are good.
I have been freelance marketing consulting for 6+ years. So I do have a great gig doing digital marketing and wordpress sites. A big email blast could get me a client to replace all my time spent on ejuicemakers. I have been advised by all that do make money in the industry that its not the quick road to cash money. I can get marketing clients that pay more than I would ever see this site producing.
I do have a dream that if I reach a level where enough people enjoy my recipes, to release easy one shots to help them enjoy my flavors as newbies, i wish i knew those existed.
That is all IF I become great mixer one day, and people desire it, there may be a concentrate line (thats the only financial plan I have) I just like my stuff more than the vape shops, so that made me think i might be good at it even though new. To me the flavors i end up with hit my needs to stay vaping. I was considering affiliate links but nawww im straight on making any kind of secret money. prob will close the diy shop too just cause i am not looking for reasons others can use to keep people that deserve to know the site is there from getting there. It started as an idea site just where i wanted to host my recipes, then as i learned where there was just no resources for certain things, I desired to make them.
These are all just my crazy ideas after I realized I like mixing more than other things. If I never make a dime from mixing I’m good cause I enjoy it. But I’m not going to just accept that this is not possibly something people want to pay for and support and see grow with that money. Im making an app for example and its like $300 or something to just get it in the android store and apple store but thats where some funds will go. Then it costs monthly fees to keep that in the stores, so that will go there. Not a calulator, but just like a cool extension of the site resources. It would be free to members as part of the same $5.
I felt that $5 would be reasonable to bring in funds to allow for it to be more than a passion project with none of my time. Our first money was gonna go to the $10 lars asks for just as a thank you. I considered putting some of that money toward the right to vape project. If it gets real big then it could replace other marketing work and I could keep adding resources and recipes that may not be on ELR but might be great. Again “it was all a dream” -smalls
I love this site. E-Juicemakers is sending nearly all our traffic over to ELR vs. another app etc.
its just tech savvy not for a non-internet smoking person
For Example (All Time Stats):
E-Juicemakers has sent over 13,320 clicks to ELR Recipes since Mid July
And over 3k to ELR Top Recipes just from the elr page that this OP was about
And 84 new mixers learned about ELR and ELR Resources from the Free Help Links section
Honestly i think what @Ckemist is doing is legit , i think the problem is he came off as an ass which im sure hes sorry for , and then a couple times it seems there was a couple fu^* yous , which is never good , lets keep in mind this is something we all could do or not do , be a part of or not , i dont blame him for the fee i owned a business that was 50 percent internet sales and the cost of that was crazy to make and keep going , so again i cant fault him for the fee , as a community this one rocks , and i get the anomosity if you want our support ask , and try to be grateful for this site , but i am wondering selling vape recipes online which is essentially what your doing how is that going to sit with fda or is it not an issue again its just my curiousity is all
So Here I am. I have carefully and quietly watched this show unfold. I am by nature a conservative person and in many ways a suspicious person. Without me joining in this Chaos My Name (Jennifer) and My Group (DIY EJUICE FLAVOR ADDICTS) has just been mentioned. I honestly do not care what you do with your business venture people do what you do all the time. Its nothing new if you make a $$$ that’s fine too. I do know when you joined my group if you recall I was probably the only administrator from a group that asked you about what your stance towards vaping was since you were running for a public office. YOU NEVER REPLIED. I looked you up I studied your FB and after about a week I decided you were not FDA and that maybe you would benefit from learning to DIY. That right there should have told you how passionate I am about DIY Advocacy and the group. I wonder what makes you think that there are not admins across Facebook that have a private admin group chat and that there are not internal conversation. You were removed from my group for two reason. #1 you were voted out. not just by admins but because of members that expressed concern.I have a very small group under 3000 members because in the Flavor Addicts Group decisions are made for the grater good of the group and regardless of personal feelings. Atom your approach caused this. Your vision may have been and still may be a good vision but you threw up FLAGS all over the place. In my group we care about one another and its our second home. Reason #2 to avoid any drama that may result from the crash around you. I opted to not contribute to your site because in my opinion I can’t justify a monthly fee to private or public recipes and I have nothing to gain from it. Any recipes I have private are not for sale. Not here and not there. Those are my recipes as I used to have a Juice line that I chose to take down in order to be able to help vapers because the FDA says if you sell you can’t help build coils, change batteries, and you cant say vaping is safer, healthier… etc… etc… etc… As much as I love my Fairy I shut her down. It was a sad day for me I could not bring myself to close the site down all the way, so i just took down the carts. I love vaping and saving lives one person at a time. Mr. Atom my motivations are different than yours therefore I could not align with your ideals. I’m sorry you are but-hurt and that people are lashing out against you. If I was uncertain about the group decision of eliminating you today my vision is clearer. They were right it was for the grater good. I wish you luck in your ventures Atom. Maybe next time you will first be humble and then aggressive, rather than in reverse. I understand your methods I deal with sales people all day every day. I deal with vendors and people. you may want to check yourself Sr. and see why you have been received the way you have been received and why you are getting so much resistance. I questioned you several times in your group and in mine not because i didn’t know the answer, but because other people wanted to know; I was the voice. It’s ok if you think I am just one of the ASSHOLES, I don’t care I can wear that crown too.
“If you run into an asshole in the morning then you ran into an asshole. If you ran into assholes all day then your an asshole” - Raylan Givens
( Please excuse any typos as I used my phone)
Pretty sad that that had to be my first post on ELR after mixing for 5 years. BTW ELR ROCKS!!! Sorry guys I just don’t check my emails often enough to respond in a timely fashion to contribute here but I read and I appreciate everyone work 
Never be sorry, keep up your good work! 
I’m going to reserve judgment because I think Atom had good intentions with this website. Only time will tell. But I don’t get him and Wayne being called sellouts - most of us used to spend 5$ or more for a pack of smokes every day - js
I’m gonna save this image for later. It’s good to have an angry mob on stand by. Thanks
I was just invited to the FB-group - I’m not really a part of anything but ELR 
I haven’t contributed anything - I barely have time to keep up here
As far as people hotlinking to ELR - I have no problem at all with that - What I do have a problem with, is people copying content to their own sites, which hasn’t happened here, AFAIK.
As for the Fake ELR page - I think it’s fine - Though I don’t particularly like the look and layout, it’s a nice proof of concept, as I think Ckemist has mentioned. One that I have had plans to do for years, but never gotten around to. Hopefully when my todo list has shrunk a bit, I will do a “proper” homepage with all sorts of cool and interesting stats and toplists.
I do have a question surrounding this rant, I’ve noticed it mentioned a couple of times…
Is this to mean that if one of your Master Mixers posts a recipe on your site they are forbidden from also posting it on other forums? i.e. is your site alluding that it takes proprietary over the posts that it’s members are making?
I hope that isn’t my stash of buttered popcorn your eating…
I will make more , this thread demands it.Glad to see you feel like eating popcorn , hope this means you are feeling better!
Thanks for the thoughts… Not feeling really bad, even went to work today. Like @GPC2012 said… it was all micro surgery 
I don’t honestly have a problem with any of it myself , not that it matters.Out of all of this about the only thing that raises any suspicion from me , is why on earth is he following 10,281 of members on here?
As far as pay per play per say , if he can get rich doing this more power to him!
1st I think you help more than most I have seen and your dedication to the right flavors taught me much. Your FA passion led me to work primarily with those for so many different main notes.
I would say THANK YOU before I would say anything against you Jennifer. I just could feel the kind welcome wear off once I starting posting stuff from the site.
BUT NOBODY SAID ANYTHING EVER OR EVER ASKED ME NOT TO POST EVER.
Just private admin chats as you say about who you think i am based on the views of you vs. getting to know me. We appeared to be cool till we weren’t.
You seemed to be closest to my views and I felt we were fine. I just wished somebody would have took all this private talk and expressed it honestly from the start. I am happy to prove that I am about the right things over time. It was just really strange to have a number of you admins act nice and then seem to turn different colors over time. I thought I left your group and to hear that there was a vote is ok with me. I really think you mean and meant well in protecting your tribe. I saw us as teammates till I began to be talked down to rather than to. It left me sour on the groups. Left me sad for a new smoker that sees Admins mocking DIYorDIE contest winners (large group/admins not you directly) and that hurts me. Those guys were all new mixers and a number of admins bashed them saying they suck. Well I think they are awesome. What happened to respecting peoples art?
I never got 1 facebook message although we were “friends on facebook”.
The lines have been drawn now. The fans and the not-fans. I hope that at least everyone feels better at least that you can say what you feel vs. not.
I wish you all well. All those I am no longer interested in associating with in my personal group or on your respective groups. If anything you all just let me down. I had some stupid young dream that this would be a tribe as one. Again you were the first group I realized existed and you taught good stuff I liked it, till I didn’t feel the love with no warning or details from anybody.
And I don’t recall you ever asking me my political views. And a county commissioner doesnt handle much to do with vaping except allowing it in public areas, preventing the wrong county level restrictions but of course I love vaping it got me off 3 packs of cigs. But thats for another time since Im not running for office for a while, not the time for that.
As lars said.
My final answer is judge it in 6 months to a year. It takes that long for new quality stuff to be made. I will even do a proper ELR post when I think it is ready.
Can we just be postive at least and say we will see how it goes. best of luck.
If you look at this original post it could have gone good or bad. We could all be shouting out the great work all these mixers did.
I think you misunderstood what my query was.
No big deal… hope to see ya around.
My main problem is how Atom charge a fee for recipes or to teach people how to DIY when he is learning himself? So what I understand here and maybe he will correct me is that without contributions from the master mixers he would only have his recipes that are “Newb” recipes. Nothing wrong with Newb recipes but DIY is complex and things change with steep and It takes a long time to learn your flavors and the right balance, I do not think you can always mix good original stuff by reading. My opinion is that you have to mix it, taste it, steep it and wait for it to degrade. That’s how you learn your flavors. That how you know what it will be like short term and long term. So if his master mixers post recipes on the private side who benefits? So what is the point??? Why would someone post in his webpage private side? Is it so that he can have mastermind ideas? Exposure? I just believe he has a lot to learn before exposing new mixers to his pay per click recipes unless those pay per clicks belong to the master mixers. if that is the case what do the master mixers get for posting on the private side? IDK maybe I’m just too skeptical. Maybe I’m just afraid for the newbs. IDK I will not comment on this any more because I despise drama. But I just do not understand it and I guess only time will tell.
We shall see.
But its in the rules : No selling $5.00 became the problem