Rainier Cherry is strong, and you are within a normal use, Doug.
1-3 drops in 30ml… anything higher yes.
This is a learning experience for you.
Sometimes you can get by using it higher, but again you face that medicine yucky cherry…
An rda might help, I have no idea how your tremors are.
I would suggest to work on your other flavors too. You have a few more you can play with.
Will try to call today, hang in…
@anon84779643, I got the flavor right then it went away. It’s not the shaking. It’s what the Parkinson’s is doing to my taste and smell. One minute I can taste a juice, the next I can’t. Give it 5-15 minutes later, I can taste and smell it again for about 30 mins but it’s all over the map. I measured correctly. I barely tasted it at 1 drop in 30ml, then really good with 2. Then it disappeared.
I have a different batch of a flavor. It’s been mixed for a long time now. I taste it for a while, then it goes away, then I taste it for a while… and cycles.
I’m not shaking when mixing these. It’s got to do with the medication, and what the disease does that causes issues.
Look, if that’s the case then you’re chasing ghosts by constantly adapting to a situation that will be different next time. You are chasing your tail. I don’t know what else to say, brother, but I hope you do catch that star eventually.
@anon70102222
The Parkinson’s has an effect on your ability to smell. Smell is a large part of how food tastes. My window to taste this is a lot smaller than most. I just found out tonight that I can taste them so long as they’re just teetering on being to much (to the point they taste medicine like (it doesn’t taste that way to me. It actually tastes great!) So basically strong “shake and vapes” for a lot of flavors.
Other flavors that are powerful have a wider spread it seems. Funny what you learn by spending hours trying to get a juice to work lol.
Oh well, I shan’t give up nor shan’t give in (or something along those lines)!
Just read this thread top to bottom at work, as I had an easy day. On the positive side, Doug’s enthusiasm is wonderful, and the help and advice metered out by the handful of members is on a level only Mother Theresa could match.
On the downside I think it gave me Covid 19.
Maybe Covid-7. He isn’t patient enough for 19!
He’ll get there with the mixing. He just needs more patience.
@anon70102222 on the bright side here… they shipped me the scale I cancelled
a month ago… the 501 one? they only robbed me 2 days ago to do it. I canceled because they weren’t getting any in. I called the bank when it happened and they gave me a provisional credit. I called amazon today and gave them hell… That last part wasn’t provisional lmao
@anon84779643
I got the cherry working. I think it was 2 drops, in 40ml. I let it sit for 8 hours, then I think I that was it. I will try to replicate it one more time and write it in my recipes. It would be nice to have the sweetness flavorah flavor. If you can let me know how much I’ll paypal it to you.
I just got in the house, give me a bit and I will let you know. 
Congrats btw!! 
@anon84779643
does nic salts mix differently than regular nic? If so, how do you adjust for the salts?
They MIX the same (LOL) @Caped_Conspirathist BUT, Salts are somewhat different. I personally CANNOT vape salts. No matter the brand, strength, it makes me cough, BUT, that’s me.
Freebase NIC is (can be) harsher than Salts, especially approaching higher NIC levels. Salts on the otherhand remain smoother, with far less throat hit until much higher levels are reached. Salts are more stable so they will oxide slower than freebase NIC, but the BIG thing about Salts over Freebase is the uptake speed which is almost as fast as analogs.
More stable, smoother, faster uptake, slower oxidation.
@SessionDrummer
1st, you rock!!! lol.
I was wondering since the mixes I make seem to lose their flavor and go flat overnight. The smell, the raw taste… the whole thing goes flat. Even the recipes I do from ELR do the same thing.
I’ve done it on the scale (have 2 of them now) with syringes, by Flavorah drops… I just can’t figure out how the smell and taste disappear. I simply shake them, taste them once, then put them away. Even the Flavorah only mixes are doing this.
The commercial stuff doesn’t seem to do that. I’m baffled.
Well look, you HAD mentioned that you had Parkinson’s, and honestly I don’t have a clue if, or what that impacts regarding your senses, mainly taste, so that could be in the mix here. I personally have never had a full mix go flat (tasteless) the next day. I have underflavored mixes that stayed low, I have OVER-flavored mixes but they typically just got bent, floral, perfumey, etc,. but never went tasteless, but it’s possible to overflavor and have REDUCTION of flavor.
YOU will have to try and impart a regimented approach and LIMIT the variables. Make 5 recipes, and do NOT taste, let steep for at least TWO WEEKS. Then run through them and see what you’ve got. If you’re immediately taste testing fresh mixed, sitting down for a day or two, things will get inconsistant and harder to help you @Caped_Conspirathist.
As far as the salts, some people don’t like them, as they (salts) encourage HIGHER NIC usage. Smoother, less throat hit, faster uptake. Every time I’ve tried them, I mixed exactly like freebase, but had coughing from them.
First… why… are you playing with nic salts?
Given your meds etc… and the chats we have had by phone…
Stick with the reg nicotine.
90% that is your parkinsons…
Sd is right…
Applicable to standard flavors… even for the ultras, @Doug_Comer… you should be getting something out of it on day 1 and then test again at day 3.
I can not use nic salts any longer. They cause my blood pressure to rise or “peek” and that I can not have.
Up to you if you continue to experiment… but best advise is just keep it simple.
@anon84779643 @SessionDrummer
Smoky, I have that mix you showed me how to make on the phone. That one has changed too. I guess all I want to do is be able to enjoy it like everyone else?
I have Parkinson’s. It’s frustrating. I just hope everyone can maintain patience with me. It’s not something I want to give in to. If I give up and don’t ask questions that may help me or not isn’t something I can accept…
Giving up is putting one more foot towards the grave.
Doug, just slow down…
Get used to mixing. You started with reg nic… nic salts will make you crave nic more.
I know you do not want that, or any other issue coming up using them.
I personally do not know what the salts will do to someone with Parkenson’s… My lab has shut down and will not be open for another 30-60 days, depending.
You can choose what you do and don’t and all I can give you is my own experiences.
Try it… take notes… compare… wash rinse and repeat.
@anon84779643
I bought a liter of 100mg/ml salt nic shot instead of regular nic. That’s why I wondered if it altered the flavor. I noticed base with nothing in it tastes sweet (funny eh?)
it should not be doing that… it might be you tho, give it a day or so.
Meh… ok so I changed it again. Instead of science I decided to explain why they’re freaking out about the use of Chloroquine, Hydroxychloroquine, and a Z-Pak (Azithromycin).
WARNING! EVERYTHING IN BOLD IS EXPLANATION OF HOW IT WORKS.
AVOID ALL THE STUFF IN BOLD IF YOU WANT TO GET TO MY QUESTIONS.
Ok,so let’s start with I DID MY RESEARCH ON THE SCIENCE
Both Chloroquine and Hydroxychloroquine bond with zinc to make zinc chloride.
The Hydroxychloroquine is stronger.
Both let zinc into a cell (zinc needs help to get a lot in the cell)
That’s where the Z-Pack comes in.
The combination of the Z-pac and the Cloro~whatever is used for numerous things, not just malaria. So is the Hydroxy~whatever.
BUT in the case of the COID-19 virus:
the two are best at opening up a door into cells to let zinc in. It’s probably pretty easy to enter the cells of the lungs because they aren’t complicated cells and there’s only a thin layer.
Viruses HATE zinc. ( I keep telling everyone that… )
(Ok, science part over)
Here’s what I don’t get:
How come the Dr’s won’t go nuts with this stuff to start healing these people? Both of these medications have been around for quite a while. They don’t get in each others way and there is AMPLE supplies of both.
Just because we haven’t done all the studies, we’ve (or the Chinese) have already proven it works in humans. Are there side effects from the malaria med? Yes. It’s always had that. The cell with the zinc in it will probably die off as normal or just absorb the zinc and live out it’s life.
Even if it gave a person 5 more years of quality life (like we’d wish for cancer patients) shouldn’t we offer the patient the option and tell them, “we don’t know IF you’ll live because you have COID-19 and we don’t know how long you’ll live if you take this zinc/antibiotic cocktail”.
Why the hold up? People are dying. People are suffering horribly. What, are they getting punished for something?
How come HHS isn’t telling Drs to offer the patients this stuff and a release form “Gangnam Style”?!?!?!
