Drums of War in the Ongoing FDA Flavorings Inquisition?

Nothing like inhaling a bunch of stuff that doesn’t agree with one in order to reduce allergic inflammation ! :thinking:


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Just stumbled across a remarkably prophetic post from @BoDarc March '17

(bold is mine)

Bloody brilliant, Bo!

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USA Today (Novemeber 7, 2019):

Fed ban on flavored vape products expected soon, menthol and vape stores may be spared

Federal regulators are expected to announce a ban on electronic cigarette flavors other than tobacco and menthol within days, although it’s unclear if mint flavors will be allowed or reformulated as menthol. … Another possible exemption could be vaping products sold in vape stores rather than convenience stores … A sign of the imminent ban announcement came Monday, when the Office of Management and Budget said it concluded its review of the rule and cancelled upcoming meetings with industry and consumer interests. Conway also said an announcement was coming soon.

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When I go here… https://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eoDetails?rrid=129748

and then go here… https://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eom12866SearchResults?pubId=&rin=0910-ZA56&viewRule=true

is what I am more curious about

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Good find. Poked about there - but missed the meeting records (in order of meeting times on Nov 4):

10:30 AM:
Requestor: Kleinfeld Kaplan and Becker LLP
Requestor’s Name: Stacy Ehrlich
Requestor’s Client: Turning Point Brands, Inc.

1:00 PM:
Requestor: Kleinfeld Kaplan and Becker LLP
Requestor’s Name: Stacy Ehrlich
Requestor’s Client: Coalition of Independent Tobacco Manufacturers of America (CITMA)

3:00 PM:
Requestor: Truth Initaitive
Requestor’s Name: Stacey Younger Gagosian
Requestor’s Client: Not client but also attending: American Academy of Pediatrics, American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network, American Heart Association, American Lung Association, Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids

Source:
https://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eom12866SearchResults?pubId=&rin=0910-ZA56&viewRule=true

I will let others “fill-in and link-to the blanks” where it comes to the other various “monetary stakeholders”.

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Another possible exemption could be vaping products sold in vape stores rather than convenience stores, which is where the under-aged youth who are the focus of the ban often shop.

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Conway has never in any way been forthcoming, straightforward, accurate. Probably another policy canard.

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Dr Michael Siegel, November 11, 2019:

CDC and Anti-E-Cigarette Researcher Still Clinging to Faint Hope that Traditional E-Cigarettes are Causing Outbreak

the CDC and at least one prominent anti-e-cigarette researcher have not yet given up in their attempt to pin the outbreak on traditional e-cigarettes which they apparently despise. The CDC continues to term this outbreak “E-cigarette, or vaping, product use associated lung injury.”

… The original name the CDC gave to the outbreak was VARI ("vaping-associated respiratory illness). The fact that it changed the name to EVALI, even after having quite conclusive evidence that traditional e-cigarettes were not involved, suggests that the CDC was intentionally trying to use the outbreak to implicate traditional e-cigarettes, despite the lack of any hard evidence. That they are continuing to use this name even after finding that every confirmed case in which testing was done revealed vitamin E acetate in the lungs confirms that this term was chosen to intentionally confuse the public into believing that e-cigarettes are causing the outbreak.

In addition, now that its back is against the wall because the evidence is almost conclusive in demonstrating that traditional e-cigarettes are not involved, the CDC is resorting to an explanation for which there is absolutely no evidence: that not one, but two substances are causing the outbreak. And they continue to insist that no single compound is associated with the cases, which is not true based on their most recent findings. …

… This contriving of a new explanation for the outbreak in light of evidence that it is not related to traditional e-cigarettes is not restricted to the CDC. A prominent anti-e-cigarette researcher has also developed a new theory to explain the outbreak: it is caused by a synergistic effect between nicotine and vitamin E acetate oil. …

… It is now quite clear that the CDC and many opponents of the use of e-cigarettes for harm reduction were actually hoping that the outbreak was being caused by traditional e-cigarettes so that they could use the outbreak to further demonize these products. They used the outbreak as an excuse to implicate e-cigarettes and even when the evidence began pointing in a different direction, they didn’t allow the evidence to sway their pre-conceived opinions or determination to put the blame on electronic cigarettes.

And now that their original theory has been blown out of the water, rather than acknowledge that the outbreak is due to a new thickening agent that was developed for use primarily in the black market THC vape cartridge industry, they are coming up with novel, contrived explanations in a last gasp attempt to be able to pin this on traditional e-cigarettes.

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I don’t think anything needs to be added to this !!

Good stuff @Raven-Knightly

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How the CDC Plans to Cover Their Skulduggery as well as Muddy the Waters for Years to Come

Here is the next apparent (planned) scum-vector for the CDC. Claiming the following (and who with authority will stop them), they will send the issue of their specious and transparent, immoral, and directly harmful to public health dis-information strategy, and all associated ethical lapses off into an “animal-model research la-la-land holding pattern” - distracting from their own profound failures, and buying time for legislators and policy-makers to further attack and decimate Nicotine vaping while the phony “jury is still out”. Bend over:

“We are in a better place in terms of having one very strong culprit,” said the CDC’s Dr. Anne Schuchat. Agency officials cautioned they cannot rule out all other toxic substances, and it may take animal studies to clearly show vitamin E acetate causes the lung damage that’s been seen. … The CDC’s Pirkle said animal testing is now a priority and might produce results within a year. “We really need the animal study to nail down cause and effect,” he said.

This (additionally) gives the FDA years of cover to “turn the screw” on Nicotine and delivery systems. :exploding_head:

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Washington Post (November 17, 2019):

Trump backs off flavored vape ban he once touted

Everything seemed ready to go: President Trump’s ban on most flavored e-cigarettes had been cleared by federal regulators. Officials were poised to announce they would order candy, fruit and mint flavors off the market within 30 days - a step the president had promised almost two months earlier to quell a youth vaping epidemic that had ensnared 5 million teenagers.

One last thing was needed: Trump’s sign-off. But on Nov. 4, the night before a planned morning news conference, the president balked. Briefed on a flight to a Lexington, Ky, campaign rally, he refused to sign the one-page “decision memo,” saying he didn’t want to move forward with a ban he had once backed, primarily at his wife’s and daughter’s urging, because he feared it would lead to job losses, said a Trump adviser who spoke on the condition of anonymity to reveal internal deliberations.

As he had done so many times before, Trump reversed course - this time on a plan to address a major public health problem because of worries that apoplectic vape shop owners and their customers might hurt his reelection prospects, said White House and campaign officials. He also believed job losses tied to the ban would cost him as he sought to trumpet economic growth. …

… Officials said the blowback to Trump’s vow to ban most flavored e-cigarettes had rattled him. In an aggressive social media campaign - #IVapeIVote - advocates claimed the ban would shut down thousands of shops, eliminating jobs and sending vapers back to cigarettes. The president saw protesters at events and read critical articles. His campaign manager, Brad Parscale, privately warned the ban could hurt him in battleground states, said a person who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations. Trump was now upset with Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, who had taken the lead in rolling out the plan, said three officials familiar with the discussions.

“He didn’t know much about the issue and was just doing it for Melania and Ivanka,” said a senior administration official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to share the discussions.

Whether or when the administration will unveil a new policy to combat underage vaping is now unclear. … Given Trump’s record of zigzags, some officials cautioned the president could reverse course again. Or he might back some ban on flavored e-cigarettes that exempts vape shops.

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Axios (September 22, 2019): “GOP allies warn vaping ban will sink Trump in 2020

Of course, no matter how many times he may equivocate, a vast/lasting swathe of carnage is a done deal.

Shopping at a number of internet vendors yesterday, it seemed (although I do not have an ongoing “feel” for the marketplace by any means), that many were holding minimal amounts of remaining stocks. This would seem (to be likely) unusual for a couple weeks prior to “Black Friday” ? :thinking: The vast collateral damages of deranged, incompetent lunacies. Entire industries destroyed in the interest of “milking the holy MSA cow”.

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So now I wonder how things proceed …

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Been waiting what, 3-4 weeks for this to come to a head?

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I think he will just wait for the PMTA do the job for him then he can say “It wasn’t me”

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So I get the whole fear of the job loss, and I’m currently unsure how much the “IVape IVote” pushed things at all, but this is good news, at least for now it would seem.

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I think since the President’s favorite platform is twitter the #WeVapeWeVote was a huge motivating factor in this. Where is going? Who knows. Maybe the CDC will find some other lie to spin on another product outside of vaping and this disappears, that’s my hope. I can say this, I have NO faith whatsoever anymore in the CDC, HHS, Obviously the idiot Surgeon General, or Lung Ass. (as they will forever be known this day forward by me) or American Heart Association. It opened my eyes to how evil and greedy these people are at the point of destroying people’s lungs to get their blood money. Ask me if I’m angry.

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I suspect that CDC is already burying their overt negligence under cover of (glacially proceeding) “science”.

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They deserve to be dragged through the mud over this fiasco. I’ve been a HUGE supporter over the years for the Lung Ass. and I think of all the dollars I threw their way … makes me literally nauseated. Never again.

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They do indeed. However, I have been following the completely unproductive, tortuous, and deadly throttling of pain patients (~20 Million chronic, some intractable) that the CDC lit on fire in 2016. There is essentially zero correlation between prescriptions for pharmaceutical Opioids in any state in the US at any time in the last few years and fatalities (alleged, via very low reliability forensics) to be associated with Opioids [almost entirely illicit Fentany(s)]. Prohibitions and persecutions of prescribing physicians as well as patients have and continue to wreak tragic consequences, while the illicit markets opportunistically became flooded and virtually dominated by super-dangerous and deadly Fentanyl(s). Despite being assailed by many detractors revealing CDC’s horrifically non-scientific and unethical actions/inactions, the very same BS is proceeding today without end. The CDC are experts at agitprop induced fear and panic allowing the “manufacture of popular consent” via “shock doctrines” - and the dark expertise in deceptions that they have honed in the persecution of Pain Management medicine has, and is now, being turned full on upon Nicotine. (Believe it or not), we own our own bodies and minds, and the chemical-statist regime (that many seem to naively plead for) is forging fatal fetters of not only avoidable, but deeply immoral, harms upon our society and it’s public health. Moral Crusades wearing Medical Masks are an imposition upon, and a grave insult to, a free society.

Meanwhile - while we writhe in the tragedy of our own Rabidly Moronic Nanny State Circular Firing Squads, the social “problems” that it is fashionable in the US to attempt to ascribe to the medical distribution of pharmaceutical Opioid medications for pain are vastly less of a problem or danger to public health in more progressive countries. We are in the US are cruelly causing people to suffer and to die without justification.

(June 24, 2019): “One Possible Solution to the Opioid Crisis in the U.S. Has Been Inexplicably Ignored

(June 6, 2019): “European Drug Report 2019 directly contrasts US drug crisis, tells a story of relative calm

(April 17, 2019): “One Doctor’s Answer to Drug Deaths: Opioid Vending Machines

(December 5, 2017): “Portugal’s radical drugs policy is working. Why hasn’t the world copied it?

(October 12, 2017): “The Lancet Commissions: Alleviating the access abyss in palliative care and pain relief - an imperative of universal health coverage

Regardless of widespread BS agitprop, there to date do not exist viable (much less covered by insurance) alternative therapies than can meaningfully address intense, severe, and intractable pain in human beings. The so-called “magic bullet” of powerful substitute analgesics that don’t interact with Mu Opioid Receptors have been promised “Unicorns” for as long as we have been alive - and are yet to exist. Opioid therapy is demonstrably less physiologically harmful and dangerous as are high-dose Acetaminophen and NSAIDs, and vastly less harmful and dangerous than is Ethanol (Alcohol). Public policies should be based upon physiological harm - and not upon only allegedly morally justified incursions upon the autonomy/agency of competent adults. People must reclaim ownership of their bodies/minds from power hungry control freaks. Those who wish for others to direct and determine their decisions and quality of life may be disappointed.

The paradigm of religious authority under priests has been replaced by the paradigm of quasi-religious authority of doctors over patients. Instead of dazzling peasants with Latin phrases and convoluted creeds as did the priests of yore, doctors now dazzle their patients with abstruse medical terminology and jargon. The result is that very few people have thought to question the authority of the new state-sponsored religion of medicine.

“Medication Assisted Therapy” (MAT), namely the population of Mu Opioid Receptors with long plasma half-life “mixed Agonist/Antagonist” molecules Buprenorphine (Suboxone), Methadone, and more problematically to initiate (and in some cases), Naltrexone, are vastly more effective than “12-step” type “psychotherapies” (which have no more than an ~10% success rate where it comes to Opioid users), and (assuming that these expensive to purchase drugs are not rapidly withdrawn, just like any Opioid), can indeed be helpful. The main problem is that none of them are particularly efficacious analgesics, and duration of analgesia is only a few hours time. Some find that Methadone can help somewhat with pain relief, but Buprenorphine is considered less effective, and Naltrexone does not even get a mention on that score. Problems arise in the event of severe “acute” pain - and how then to effectively, while also safely, administer adequate analgesia.

Analgesic Properties of Maintenance Opioids:
Patients receiving maintenance therapy with opioids for addiction treatment do not derive sustained analgesia from it. Methadone and buprenorphine, potent analgesics, have a duration of action for analgesia (4 to 8 hours) that is substantially shorter than their suppression of opioid withdrawal (24 to 48 hours). Because most patients receiving OAT are given a dose every 24 to 48 hours, the period of even partial pain relief with these medications is small."

(2006): Acute Pain Management for Patients Receiving Maintenance Methadone or Buprenorphine Therapy - PMC

Another reality to recognize is that (in US) only ~1 in 8 persons seeking “MAT” are able to obtain and use it. They have similar physical side-effects as other Opioids, and must be tapered and withdrawn very slowly. It seems little wonder that in this gov-manufactured “mortality crisis”, human beings have/are dying in droves.

We can only “hope and pray” that the prohibition and throttling of Nicotine will not take such grave and tragic turns. There are few if any ways to preventively discover and protect from such chemical contaminations - and our (merely professed) “friends” at the CDC/FDA would (nefariously) love nothing more to occur. :thinking:

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