Flavor may have been an ingrediant in a stone mix
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Means are the averages of all entries, medians are typically more helpful because they donāt include the outliers. In an average (mean) use (total number of entries added together, then divide by the number of individuals), the outliers will be included which can skew the actual results, especially if there are much larger and much smaller numbers on either end. Since median is actually the middle number, itās a lot more useful.
For instance, a data set that includes 1,1 5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,15,50 will āmeanā out to ~8, whereas the median in this case is 5, much closer to what most of the data set (people) used.
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@anon84779643 I considered it, ā¦ once, ā¦ for a short while ā¦
This is my NIC. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
My NIC is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.
My NIC, without me, is useless. Without my NIC, I am useless.
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Yeah Yeah Sdā¦ 
The only reason I want to drop it, is it will be one less thing to add to my juice, and if I am only using it as a crutchā¦ then I do not really need it. The amount of nic juice I vape, is under 30ml in a monthā¦ so why add it if I do not need it? Falls back to that bit 
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So thereās more left for me !!! 
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Interesting catch.
One could even potentially make a flavor combo (donāt worry I wonāt) called skiddely diddely doo for themselves and mix it at 100 percent flavor, and combine 3 flavors theyāve found work well together. Wait. Thats exactly what you said, potentially a stone mix. Sorry.
Good catch,
Maybe we just leave people be.
If someone named a stone āskiddely diddely dooā, it would definitely have to be Ned Flanders.
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Of course it is a testing ground. We mix new recipes all the time, I consider that testing. And yes, ATF is, too, and itās pretty obviously endorsed (āThis recipe is a work in progressā pretty much translates to āIām still testing variationsā if you ask me). Sure, it would be nice if people would either keep their experiments private or mark them experiments (in case of collaborations or asking for comments or whatever), but even if they donāt I donāt see what the problem with that could be. Iāll argue the same thing I do with the ELR bashers on reddit and wherever: youāre not supposed to mix every recipe that gets posted to the site. And there will never be a site that just has recipes you like. Instead, find good mixers to follow and see what pops up on your personal thread instead. We accepted that the internet has a lot of shitty blogs on it, now letās accept that a public website for recipes will have shitty recipes. If you want to improve the situation, think in terms of rating- and reputation systems instead.
To be honest, I ended up reading this post when I wondered whoās rating a whole bunch of recipes one star. While I understand why you do that, Iām not surprised you get cranky comments: the one star rating is not very friendly and neither is the tone of voice in the comment that comes with it (IMHO). Also, in general, if the user (of any piece of software) is not supposed to do X, then donāt provide functionality to do X. Of course some functionality will inherently need moderation, like comment sections, but I donāt think this is an example of such a situation. I have been in software development long enough to understand what can and canāt be automated, and I strongly believe youāre wasting your time manually moderating the correct use of aroma names and Iād be surprised if this siteās developer wouldnāt agree, judging from the functionality thatās already deployed and from the few times I talked to him in the past.
It would make a lot more sense to me if some script would mark the non-standard flavor entries in a recipe for improvement when a user tries to publicly post a recipe:
ĀØBefore going public, please help other userās find and mix your recipe by improving the marked flavor names. Check the suggestions and/or pick a flavor name from the drop down menus. "
That way you:
- donāt run into recipes with off standard aromaās
- donāt have UI functionality that results in unwanted (public) content (which is never a good idea)
- donāt have to do the tedious work of going through all new recipes checking for their use of incorrect aroma names. (right now youāre fighting symptoms instead of the actual problem and youāll inevitably get frustrated with the ever growing backlog).
- you wouldnāt need to rate a recipe one star + write comments and come across as somewhat passive aggressive and angry. Imagine your new here and after publishing your very first recipe BAM you get rated one star. What kind of encouragement is that supposed to be?
- And vice versa, you wonāt need to deal with users being dicks either and you wouldnāt be bothered with people adding whatever recipes they feel like.
Iām not trying to be a dick or anything, but if youāre going to expect people to all inform themselves, understand the mores, behave well and respond kindly on a public platform on the internet, youāre signing up for bitter disappointment.
I might have overlooked a comment or other thread that suggests or discusses the (non)feasiblilty of my suggested approach, if so kindly let me know.
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You probably missed something in the last two years since your last post. 
But donāt fret, everyone is welcome to post/comment/join in.
This is one of those topics where someone who is working behind the scenes to help clean things up. (Maybe not behind the scenes but in the mix lol) Often without a ton of thanks. Part of what we can do is commiserate, understand, and let old topics dieā¦unless you become part of the struggle to support, educated, and be constructive. 
Please donāt take my reply negatively and only comes from a place of positivity and welcoming you back from your long break from posting in the forum.
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- I think the cleaning up is currently creating more mess. Using a one star rating as a notification for using the wrong flavor names is clearly not what the rating system is for and itās obviously annoying people. Iād say get rid of the functionality that creates the unwanted input. Iām not sure why my comment wouldnāt qualify as ācommiseratingā (the current situation) while ābeing constructiveā (suggesting an alternative and my reasoning behind that suggestion).
- As for āunderstandingā I think I do understand what I commented on, I just fail to see why it makes sense
- āletting old topics dieā This might be an old thread but the thing Iām discussing is a current affair. Also, if comments on older threats are unwanted then why not close them?
- āgetting educatedā wellI I explicitly asked to let me know anything I might have overlooked. You kind of tell me to shut up about the matter, but if you want to be constructive then please educate me on why my idea wouldnāt work and why it makes sense to do things as theyāre done at the moment.
- Lastly, supporting the site is a great suggestion, Chris. I couldnāt help but notice how you seem to have missed an opportunity to do so. Itās fairly straightforward and not a struggle at all.
But anyway, thanks for taking the time to write an answer to my post.
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Kind of like their " This recipe is the property of _____________ and released under the CC Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 license. You may not copy, derive or commercialize this recipe without following the terms of this license or the explicit permission of the creator.
Does anyone even bother to get permission to make a mix of a recipe on atf before mixing up a recipe, for real? Once a recipe goes public I do not care where you are, on what site, it becomes public property, able to be mixed by anyone. I think in the years I have been on elr, I have been asked if they could mix my mix, or anything about my mixā¦ āpremixā if you want to call it that, only a rare few times. I have had a lot of my recipes copied, used in shops around the world, either off my public recipes or I have worked with other businesses and sold recipes, but the fact that someone needs to ask before they mix is a bit ridiculous. Once it is public, there really is nothing to be done by others using a recipe. I wouldnāt have it any other way, and I do tell folks, if you do not want your work stolen, or messed up or sold in a shop without being recouped, do not publish it openly. Common sense.
I get more newbie questions on mixing in general, than I do on any of my recipes.
Just observing where you are going with this @Monotom
Not sure where you are going with this bit here. I guess too early in the morning for me, with only one cup of coffee. The only thing I can think of is that tastes are very subjective, and unless you know your flavors, how can one really be happy with a mix someone else did? but that is just my thinking.
Lemmings following lemmings will always have the same results.
Iām not arguing hereā¦ but I will say this on mixing: you will never know until you try. Sure, one could mix the entire site, but that is a lot of flavors, flavor companies and base. If you run across any prolific recipe creators too, yeps you will be in trouble, and depending on your tastes that could be good or bad. As to following others, sure you can blindly follow the masses or you can beat to your own taste budsā¦ everything in life is a choice.
All that is up to @daath He owns ELR, he listens to us all, and when he has the time does make changes to the site. He is one of my oldest (with a few exceptions) mixing buddies. Fantastic guy.
There are quite a few folks that go around with the 1 stars. Can you personally stop that one-star rating? I do believe what you are inferring to is give everyone a pat on the back for the effort and never one star them? I can be wrong, butā¦ if someone wants to one star, not much anyone can do to stop that. Iād have to counter this with a be glad it is a star, that someone took the time, because there are a ton of good recipes out there, with no stars at all, created by people for years.
Again, talk with @daath on this as he does have his reasons and his plans for future ELRā¦
Againā¦ see @daath or @Sprkslfly <he does work with the db too
In that case, all of my flavors would be markedā¦ wowā¦ lolol 
I knew Flavorah is specialā¦ but as far as an improvement on any of my recipesā¦
No that is me, joking as flv is not a standard flavor in the way of common flavors. I do know you are referring to flavors entered wrongly, and I had to post this for a good laugh.
Againā¦ this is for @daath His site, his way and if you have a chat since you were gone for however many years before posting this all up, you would know that ELR does change, might be slow, but in the end, itās @daath project, his site, his decisions.
I will say that @TorturedZen works hard to help others be mindful of the database, even tho he is not staff. He is staff, however, at least by my consideration and I know how much he loves to help out. Some folks really do take him wrong, and I can understand why he has an attitude with the carelessness of others. I think he is a jewelā¦ regardless if anyone else thinks what he does is not right. If one reads the resource page, as well as the guide, found here :: Guide e-Liquid Calculator itās not too hard to figure out you need to have the correct flavor input to have full site function and without that, you wonāt get too far with the āwhat can I makeā feature here.
As for your last 2 bits hereā¦ Attitude says a lot. You are not coming across here as friendly suggestions, itās your way or. However I can admit, I am just waking up and I had your post on my mind and wanted to be able to give you a decent reply. Not a workday for me, so I have the time to respond.
Keep in mind, that it is early in the morning, again with my 1 cup of coffee.
Wait till I move on to your other post.
I think a lot of your comments here fall under site suggestions and not this thread at all.
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You have a right to your thoughts on this matter. I do not think, however, as I touched on the one-star already, that a lot of folks do use that one star and not just TZ. Again, @daath created the rating system, and obs he wants it used. However, you can not force people to use it for just recipes or just being correct in naming flavors. If they followed directions to start withā¦ they wouldnāt have to deal with making sure the naming posts. In all honesty, I have to express gratitude for @TorturedZen and his stamina for keeping up, so it not only helps those in question, but it improves site functionality as without it, a lot of features on the site would work better when naming things correctly to being with.
Maybe because you are posting up suggestions most so than anything else in regards to this thread.
Have you seen a closed thread here? They tend to poof or vanish so that you wonāt be able to post or read it unless you have posted in it before. Even then, sometimes they poof. Are you asking for this thread to be closed?
I do not think he told you to shut up, but picking on the only other response besides mine, wonāt get you far.
As for the rest, have a chat with @daath and see what has happened since your last visit and what he has plans on in the future, might help to answer all of your questions here.
Itās also not mandatoryā¦ I do know I send Lars a tip or a coffee or even enough for a burger, more than onceā¦ but again, itās no oneās business and just by being a member, it is a form of support. Donāt be like thisā¦ especially if you want to come across as a friendly person. Not cool at all
I sure hope you will have a better time here on ELR and find your own spot.
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Iād say there quite a few of them out there. As for me, Iāve tried many 4 and 5 star recipes and didnāt like them at all.
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Nice post, Smoky.
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I agree, @natboneā¦ I really think itās based on the mixers taste and gear used.
Those 2, both matter in a big way.
We are not all alike, not in our setups tastes experiences or thinking.
Thank goodness, or this place would be so blah!!! 
I have to add:
Also experience in mixing counts too.
I have seen even simple double flavors make people happy, and I know I have a 31 flavored peach cobbler that I have sold by the gallons. You can really tell how the mixer is, by looking at the few or many recipes one makes public. I think it is judgment tho on the one mixing a recipe that one should wonder why they are making a statement on other peopleās recipes. Looking at the rating per recipe and who rated it what, and then fill in the blank on why it got 1 star or 5ā¦
Attitude on the other hand can be indicative too.
Thanks @natbone. busy day today and here I thought I would be off goofing around.
Back to work I go!
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I donāt see where someone said they are rating recipes poorly based on improper naming conventions. Whoās doing that?
Where are folks advocating that old threads should not be necroāed? Again I donāt see anyone saying that. I donāt see a problem with responding to an old thread if thereās relevant content to add, or a relevant follow-up question to be posted in it.
You donāt have to be Sammy McSarcasm just to make a pointā¦
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I have seen a few, but I also know its nothing to do with naming conventions.
There it isā¦ @Monotom has given site suggestions here. Should be made a new topic or find a suitable one in the site suggestion board.
Thank you @anon70102222
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Nice conflicting answer there!
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Well it is true, Philā¦
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I asked if anyone is rating poorly based on incorrect naming conventions, and you said āYes, but not for improper naming conventionsā. Silly duckling.
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