…but, yes… I also do a twisted pair on a few of my DL RTAs (typically, around .7 ohms).
I do both DL and MTL, depending on what atomizer I’m using at any given time. When I’m at work, DL is my thing. When at home relaxing is when I ease into MTL mode.
Don’t worry about all that… we get what you’re saying! Just keep up the good work and enjoy whatever you vape.
First, and that I will never tire of saying, thanks to the users who selflessly publish their knowledge, without you I think I would still be buying commercial liquids.
Update: after a week of steep, it starts to be very good. Much better than the commercial tabaquiles I’ve tried. I made some simple recipes, to see how tobacco works with some aromas.
What I did:
Remember that “WO Larsen” is the pipe tobacco that I used and macerated according to the indications at the beginning of the post.
Recipe 1:
NET W.O. Larsen 15.00%
A taste of tobacco unknown to me, I suppose without combustion is the real taste of tobacco. Something sweet for my taste, I’m not able to notice all the nuances, I’m not an experienced taster … Maybe something nuts, but certainly better than the commercials I’ve tried.
Recipe 2:
Double Apple (CAP) 1.00%
Green Apple (CAP) 2.00%
NET W.O. Larsen 15.00%
Great! You notice the apple a little, mixed with nuts and tobacco. And it only takes a week!
Recipe 3:
AAA Magic Mask (FA) 0.50%
NET W.O. Larsen 15.00%
Peanut Butter (TPA) 2.00%
Let’s see how AAA worked … I had not tried it …
For now, nothing … I’ll wait longer.
Recipe 4:
Almond (Mandorla) (FA) 0.50%
NET W.O. Larsen 15.00%
Nothing to highlight.
Yesterday I did DaMomma’s RY4 delight, by Alisa, changing the RY4 for the WO Larsen. I’ll tell you in a few days.
I publish this to encourage anyone who wants to try NET, to be encouraged that it is easy; and to thank the experts, let them know that their advice is well received by the novices.
I’m a novice in all this, and if I could, I guess anyone can try.
I already have other lots macerating …
Thank you again and forgive me if I become heavy …
And for someone to visit Barcelona, for the beer to heat up …
Thought:
It will not facilitate the extraction of flavors increase the percentage of PG in the maceration?
I mean, if instead of putting 150ml PG for 30gr. of tobacco, for after the extraction uses 15% (approximate), I put 300ml PG for the 30gr. to then use 30%, will it help to have more base so that they can “transfer” the flavors?
While macerating, it is important that there exist enough “free” (not absorbed by the tobacco leaf-bits) solvent (the PG you are using) so that there is a higher probability that molecules (of the PG solvent, and the tobacco leaf-bit “solute”) will be able to move around in solution. The drier the tobacco, the more solvent (PG or VG) gets absorbed into macerating tobacco leaf-bits. I am currently (room temperature only) macerating some (fairly dry) Virginia tobacco, where 1/2 Ounce has nearly fully absorbed 100 mL of the PG solvent.
(Presumably), there exist only so many “flavor components” per unit weight of the macerated tobacco. While making sure that there remains enough un-absorbed solvent for “free molecular movement” in the solution seems important, using higher amounts of solvent (past the minimum amount required for free movement of solvent and solute in solution) will likely just dilute the “flavor” strength of final strained and filtered extract.
In addition to using perhaps a bit more (rather than less) solvent (PG or VG) when macerating, breaking up the leaves into smaller sized “leaf-bits” (but not to “dust”) increases the surface area of the tobacco leaves that (readily) contact the solvent. I like to physically “shake” my sealed maceration jars every couple of days.
No, it will not be “saturated”. Actually the danger is that the solution will become “super saturated”, a physical chemical occurrence and I can assure you are in no danger of that.
I understand @Gus6 is using a translator so I have no quibble with him regards this next comment: But use of terms from the world of chemistry comes up from time to time here on this forum. That is. a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. I see this commonly in discussions like “How to Store Nicotine” where outragious mistakes are made when using terms like ‘specific gravity’, ‘solution’, oxidation’ and so forth. I used to try to make comments correcting some of that but eventually gave up trying. In internet forums people throw around technical terms without understanding that those terms have very precise meaning when they are used as technical words of the relevant art… As a (retired) industrial chemist, my skin sort of crawls when I read some of these internet discussions.
Anyway on another subject, and that is the issue of proper particle size of the tobacco in the PG or VG maceration jar, some of that was briefly kicked around in a thread HERE. I feel that is a subject worthy of much deeper analysis. I have been for a long time exploring what it takes to “speed up” the maceration process. Regarding that, particle size it seems is one bit of it but may be a negative if carried too far and reducing the particle size to dust. A second ‘speed up’ potential exists by using techniques or equipment that allows for frequent or perhaps continuous agitation or ‘stirring’ of the matrix is another. And, finally, I feel the most important is the destruction of the cell wall to allow for unfettered access by the solvent.
I’ve come across this question before and I believe the answer to that is that there is way too much sugar in fruit to use this method. Vaping sugar is not a very good idea.
Give it a try! Experimentation! That’s what this hobby is all about.
Personally, I just make sure there’s enough solvent to cover the leaf and then about 15% to 20% more in the jar, for plenty of leaf to solvent coverage. I don’t grind the tobacco to dust prior to maceration; rather, leave it in a fluffy “ribbon cut” form. Perhaps once a month I’ll inspect my steeping jars and give them a roll around to check out the viscosity of the extract and see if the solvent is getting darker.
Following the indications found here, I have done several NETs and I am happy, but everything tastes sweet to me, I don’t know if it is VG, or what it could be, but I would like it to be less sweet, and drier and harder, stronger … Any suggestion? I have made with pipe tobacco and also with cigars …
But, as R-K asks, would you mind giving us a list of the tobacco used in the extractions you’ve performed? This will be helpful info for us. Then, possibly, we can give you the info you need to get your NET where you want it.
These are the tobacco used. And also some cheap cigars … I made 30gr tobacco + 150ml PG approximately, 8 hours at 50 degrees Celsius, minimum 2 months of maceration, and then I mix it 50/50 between 15 and 25% … I don’t know if this is useful information…
Great! Give us some time to research theses tobaccos on a review site or two… knowing what type of leaf is in the blend can reveal a vast amount of info.
Here’s one of the sites which I use to gather info about a tobacco or blend. Take the reviews from actual pipe smokers with a grain of salt… they are, after all, setting fire to the stuff and then inhaling burning leaves… using tobacco like that is not advisable!
If you’re paying attention to what you’re doing, you don’t need it.
Just keep up the good work and enjoy whatever you vape.
… this is an example of a good stout Burley. I’ve been using this in straight NET form and hybrid form. Here’s my favorite hybrid using this extract: