Flattering I guess :)

I have mixed feelings about this, I’ve never made a recipe worthy of being stolen and sold on, but I have made money from other people’s recipes so I can’t be a hypocrite and say it’s out of order, although none of the recipe’s I’ve made since coming on ELR have been sold, because honestly, they never made it past my personal stash, I have tanked them ALL there just too good, but the recipes I have sold in the past, the customer always knows who’s recipe it is, I always give credit where credit is due, and I sell only a handful of bottles a month anyway, pretty much just pays for my own liquids.
If a company advertised my recipe on their site would I be flattered…yes
If said company made a small fortune doing so would I be miffed…probably
We post recipe’s publicly with no legal bindings, someone was bound to do what Sydney Vapours has done sooner or later, and now people are enjoying what you made on the other side of the world, that’s pretty damn cool also :+1:

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he should go after them especially since he is working with ECX

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I agree 100%

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here is the thing to do if yiu have something close to your heart keep it private and if you want to share it post it to individuals you feel you can trust , i know it sucks but the mighty dollar conquers all typically or eventually if you are regualar status post to lounge and ask to keep private , the people here on this forum i think you cld trust there are a few noobs that might be here for all the wrong reasons

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TBH…I haven’t found one on here that I couldn’t trust yet…regulars that is…

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can there be a disclaimer once you create an account that you agree to that says if you are making money off others recipe permission must be obtained with compensation if needed also to administrator of this site if you fail to do so then something happens ??? just thinking

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i agree i feel i could put anything out there and all will be ok

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That’s the thing, it’s a great way to share ideas and recipes with like minded people. But that lot are just swooping in and taking your work, without being remotely involved in this community. It would be sad for people who do not take kindly to these shenanigans, to start making all their recipes private because of it.

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Whatever the legality is, I’m sure most of us can agree the person running that website is kind of a lazy asshole.

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well, I’m definitely a noob on here, so just for the record, and just so you don’t think I joined for any wrong reasons, the only recipes that weren’t mine that I’ve sold were Mothers milk clones of which I’ve tried like 10, and a few different generic custard recipes, the rest were mine, I have like 9, maybe 10 vapers that buy off me, all friends, and 90% of the time they request basic flavours, I’m certainly not here to rip anyone off, I’d hate anyone on here to think that.

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I’ve thought long and hard about this one. Randomly selling a mix to another person I think is fine…pays for time and effort in mixing. However that isn’t fully commercial it’s friend to friend and not store front.

I’ve posted two recpies publicly because I wanted to share something. It took some hard work to develop. Multiple batches and months of testing. I think if I were to find my creations being publicly sold I would first feel honored. But later dissapoonted that I wasn’t contacted later. I understand public domain. I understand all of that. I would probably ask that a portion of the proceeds be donated to a charity of my choice.

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rotflmao no no no im not speaking of anyone in general , and i supply people with juices i dont make money every once in awhile ill have someone buy flavors or nic or vg something to compensate the 9mg nicotine abd 500ml a month lol , im sure you will become a regualr in theis forum quick , im talking about people who jump on here ask some questions and are gone never to be heard from again

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it would be , your right there is always going to be shady peeps in every community i came here to learn and hopefully help if i could , most people shrug it off in the end there isnt much we cold do flood these sites with comments about the theft and offer it cheaper ruin the site post the recipe in their comments section if we all did that type of thing they would think about it at least

As far as I can see, they’re just selling you a bottle of each of the flavorings. I don’t see anything wrong with that, to be honest. It would look less suspicious if the entire description was: “This pack contains all the flavorings needed to mix this recipe: LINK_TO_ELR_RECIPE” :slight_smile:

Just my 0.05 :slight_smile:

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oh thank f&%K for that haha…for a minute there I thought my honesty had got the better of me haha,…I was thinking "phew…good job I didn’t tell them I have a shop that sells the top ten ELR recipes that has made me filthy stinking rich or I really would of upset someone"
I mean…thank god that didn’t happen…
close one…

:sunglasses:

:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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I have to agree to @Daath - i’m a newbie to mixing, when i thought i was ready to pull the trigger and get my DIY kit and some flavors to start with, i googled, the first link that came up was ELR - i browsed thru to the thread with must-have flavors, and to top recipes - read comments, took notes, then decided on the flavors i need and went and ordered them, then started following some good mixers here and learn from what they share, and try to get close to what the do.

that web site is trying to save their users the same process. “we bring you want you will end up findings, and here are the flavors you need to mix yourself some of these top recipes” - they make profit of the flavors, of course (would that be Australian $ - honestly i don’t care how much profit they’re making if it’s 10% or 100%, people can compare prices and buy from somewhere else if they don’t like what they see)

common courtesy was they contact ELR upfront and say that they would do this - they missed that - but there’s usually little you can do to someone who chooses the shortcuts and decide to be rude, or just too “pragmatic” (which is the nice way of describing business rudeness) - unethical or illegal, i don’t think it is. it’s public domain and new mixers would have done it - google, then online shopping - with not so much efforts anyways for themselves - like i did.

the other matter is, is there a lost opportunity for ELR - absolutely ! the flavor vendors (even before the resellers like this aussie shop) are getting some significant brand awareness and traffic from ELR, ECF and other e-communities - and they should value that. it’s really up to ELR to negotiate what a good deal should look like to the site and the top mixers that create that traffic…

i’m not defending these guys, just sharing a perspective … i found this topic is super interesting given how the internet has changed the way people share, learn, profit and exchange thoughts and feels across the globe - and this is related to what i do for a living.

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WOW unfuckingbelievable WOW

Surely you have mis-understood me…and have no idea of my morals and values.
We have the option(s) to ‘stand up’ and protect our [anything] but it takes a registration, copyright, patent, etc.and the effort and $$$ to do that.Without that work, all you will achieve about crying about it…is your own misery.
Simple example: A recipe is “not protected” by law, on social media, and someone uses it, and especially if they live in another country, good luck trying to sue them.
You brought up family photos. Look closer at some of them and you will see they have been copyrighted. Things on social media are removed all the time for violations of copyright laws…and because the owner ‘stood up’ as you say…but went the extra mile to protect it. Big, huge difference than something floating around without protection, and the work it took to protect it.
I never said it was right, but it isn’t illegal.

As I have said before… nothing wrong with making a little profit. Just rubs me the wrong way that they… whoever does it… should at least of asked or let the original poster know that they were going to be published.
The concept that the person is doing imho is very good. You like this recipe, here is what you need to make it, and I’ll sell it to you. I don’t see anything wrong with that… as long as credit goes where the credit is deserved… even that, I don’t think needs to be overt. Like I said, I like the concept, just not the seemingly piecemeal way they have apparently gone about it.

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They’re using ELR screen grabs to sell recipe packs … and you see nothing wrong? Also as mentioned earlier by others, it seems they are indeed selling them as full set ready to go, here’s your recipe, here’s where we stole it from …

I’m a bit peeved tbh. Luckily none of mine are overly hyped so they get no attention :smiley:

Whatever floats your boat lads.

I’d say: NEVER be taken for granted, never demean yourselves thinking that someone blatantly stealing your idea is a good thing, stand up for you mixes ffs. Or just put them out on random FB groups to get hits.