Defining who is classed as a “Health care facility” relating to who must by law report any cases of lung issues I suspect.
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issue is hospitals use pg as an air cleaner… people do breath it in…
I dunno… a lot of legalese in there and I do not do big words on purpose
@Raven-Knightly… do not laugh… my prerogative… I like to keep things simple 
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(October 8, 2019): US Senator Chuck Schumer is trying to re-introduce a previously drafted 2018 bill:
“Stopping Appealing Flavors in E-Cigarettes for Kids Act”
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The State of Colorado looks ready to jump on the Jive Juggernaut as early as Tuesday, October 15.
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Honesty all too often not only gets one nowhere - it may result in being fleeced to a higher degree:
“Insurance companies to charge higher rates for vape users”
People who vape may soon pay more for insurance. … “You’re not getting all that stuff like tar, all those chemicals.” Companies like Prudential said that doesn’t matter. It will classify vapers as smokers, allowing them to charge higher insurance rates.
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And, where it comes to one example of (primarily) public (as opposed to private) health insurance:
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So… which of the states are going to be diy/vaper friendly in the end??
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It appears that even the Sovereign State of Freedonia is wavering at the hands of the Moral Nannies.
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Forbes (October 7, 2019): “Legalizing Cannabis Is The Answer To Vaping Concerns”
If policy makers truly want to reduce or eliminate vaping-related illnesses, the most responsible solution would be to fully legalize marijuana nationwide, and ensure robust regulation, oversight, and education for users of both cannabis and nicotine vape products. … Despite the relatively small number of vape-related illnesses and deaths, the nation seems to be amid a media-fueled hysteria around the issue of vaping. History has shown us that hysteria rarely leads to good public policy. In fact, it often leads to the kind of prohibitionist policies that we’re now seeing offered up as a response to the current crisis. …
… We don’t need to look further than the history of cannabis prohibition to see just how public hysteria can lead to policies that cause genuine public health and societal harm. … This led to nearly 100 years of prohibition in the United States, with millions of lives ruined by arrests and incarceration for engaging in a behavior that we now recognize as substantially less harmful than consuming alcohol or tobacco. … In the end, the “solution” to that public health crisis, which was born of hysteria, resulted in the imprisonment of large swaths of a community, exacerbated poverty, and led to far worse public health outcomes. …
… Today, once again, we find ourselves amid a public health hysteria, and thus far most elected officials’ responses have been just as reactionary and detrimental to public health as these previous prohibitionist and draconian solutions to prior drug-related concerns. … This applies to the reactions to both nicotine and THC vaping products. So far, the most common reaction to nicotine vaping has been to ban the sale of flavored e-cigarettes. In fact, elected officials seem to be using the vape-related illnesses to accelerate their existing plans to quash flavored vaping. … the reaction to ban all vape sales … may have hugely negative public health consequences. …
… On the cannabis side of the equation, banning legally produced cannabis vape cartridges could be the most counterproductive response possible. … Prohibition only drives consumers to the illicit market where more dangerous products are rampant, and results in negative public health impacts. As the country continues to wrestle with how to handle vape-related illnesses, we would be wise to heed the lessons of the past and recognize that the most effective remedy is legalization, regulation, education.
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I seriously doubt they would do that… they make more money locking folks up for weed…
In the mean time… business are shut down, threatened, hijacked, bought out and the future aint looking so hot.
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Welcome to the dark, pinheaded over 100 year old War on People who Use Drugs. Sadly, trying to similarly scapegoat other than Nicotine aficionados is a circular firing-squad. There ain’t no “prettiest angel” status.
A people, as a people, has nothing to defend. In the same way a people has nothing and no one to attack. One cannot be free by opposing another. My freedom does not depend on your loss of freedom. On the contrary, since freedom is from society, but freedom for it, my freedom inherently affirms yours.
A people has no enemies.
For a bounded, metaphysically veiled, and destined society, enemies are necessary, conflict inevitable, and war likely. … If a state has no enemies it has no boundaries. To keep its definitions clear a state must stimulate danger to itself. Under the constant danger of war the people of a state are far more attentive and obedient to the finite structures of their society. War presents itself as necessary for self-protection, when in fact it is necessary for self-identification.
What will undo any boundary is the awareness that it is our vision,
and not what we are viewing,
that is limited.
-James P Carse, Finite and Infinite Games
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That’s not really an accurate assessment though. Because there’s been no metric to compare against.
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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/one-marijuana-arrest-occu_n_2041236
yeah… I hear ya Rob… but numbers wont ever lie… 
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Just like vaping, I would rather Marijuana was legal. People could get unadulterated marijuana that way. What they do while they are high is where law should come in. There’s real irony with the peace, love, happiness crowd, and their coveted pot. Overlook the scores of deaths in cartels, gangs, etc. And now with vaping marijuana, pot does kill. Again, a primary reason to vape THC is to avoid the law as it can’t be smelled. I know a good number of people who live for pot and do nothing else but those folks could use any excuse to rot away. I really don’t give a damn if folks want to smoke, drink, eat, themselves to death or if they want to stick their hands in fans for fun. It’s a human right to make those type of decisions. Paying for the enforcement of the unenforceable is insanity.
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But my point was, you don’t have numbers to compare against if Marijuana was legal, and had been sold for an equivalent length of time (as what it has been illegal) to know whether the numbers are greater or not.
I’d bet that the money made, and accompanying taxes, would GREATLY eclipse the massive numbers that I’m sure you’re referring to.
If you consider it the same level of use as tobacco in its heyday (60s-80’s), but with today’s market (and inflation), we’ll be looking at an industry worth tens of billions of dollars in revenue (if it gets legalized)
By itself, it could be the financial “salvation” that the Fed and state governments are treating the loss of income (from tobacco).
Add in a “another alternative” industry and revenue stream (vaping), and the tobacco numbers could even be surpassed.
But… While I hear what you’re saying, I see things differently. 
I simply disagree with the premise that the money from the courts, privatized jails, etc could even hold a candle to a fully legalized system, at full growth and momentum.
Meanwhile though, 60 minutes had a segment tonight on using psilocybin to cure smoking, drinking, and even anxiety/depression. sigh
What a fucked up/conflicting set of goals/agenda were seeing currently.
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Not the first time my friend.
Think back to the 80’s, where the massive scare of Reagan’s drug war was “lasers”.
Pot being laced with everything from cocaine, to LSD, to…
Yeah. Shit DEFINITELY needs to be legal (whether one partakes or not). Just from the point of safety.
Loved your point about the cartels BTW. 
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Administering psychedelic drugs in sterile and uptight “mental hospital” settings borders on insanity itself. 
Can you refresh my historical memory regarding “lasers” ? His AG (Edwin Meese’s) “Star Wars Domestic Surveillance” initiative ? Paraquat sprayed weed was harmful and inhumane. Got a whiff of it once. 
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how long has weed been prohibited, because it is not an “if” it was legal.
I know you and I both know a few things, Rob… but when it comes to government money, they win every single time. Sad, but true.
I still like you tho
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Perhaps it was local slang… But that’s what I heard adulterated pot as being referred to while hanging around with certain friends that ran in those circles.
I would seriously doubt there’s anything available online (without a newspaper pay wall).
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It’s more that it wasn’t illegal until Nixon.
It’s never had “legal” status. Hence, no numbers.
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OK. Opiated weed/hashish was nothing that unusual in the early 1970s. While inefficient, popping a bit of Cocaine (then HCl salt form) into weed was not unheard of - and (IMO) rather nice. Tryptamines (including LSD) are largely destroyed at temperatures of combustion. The most dangerous additive was TOBACCO !
There was bad stuff (such as “Mad Dog” - weed sprayed with “embalming fluid”). Then came a few years of Paraquat spraying on crops (some domestic, as well as southwards). But those things were the fault of (unusual) maniacs (“Mad Dog”, etc), and governmental drug wars (the drug laws/policies themselves).
These days small numbers of reports of Fentanyl(s) showing up in weed have arisen. That just might kill you. We have the insanity of recent Wars on People who use Opioids to thank for that (drug laws themselves). People tend to make surprisingly wiser and safer choices - when they have viable options known to not be contaminated or risky. It is almost exclusively in the desperations of prohibitions that tangible harms exist - as criminal elements inevitably attempt to cash-in on high-profit, low-quality, dangerous garbage products.
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I hope that every person that decides to sue is mandated to do a hair follicle test . These Manufacturers need to prove that it’s the illicit THC carts . Washington State only allows the test to go 90days back …
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Wasn’t sure about that. I didn’t want to overstate. Doesn’t surprise me however. I got some laced with PCP. That was enough for me. I’ve considered trying it again now that it’s legal and hopefully pure but I do pretty good winding down in the evening with a couple hours of bass playing and a good vape. Probably won’t bother.
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