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New nicotine safety rule could hit vaping hard

TLDR:

  • “restricted flow requirement” states that an opened bottle, when inverted and squeezed continuously for five seconds by a five-year-old child, must dispense no more than two milliliters of e-liquid

  • New compliance standard for container’s with nicotine may be imposed causing all
    those glass bottles and many others to be non-compliant then recalled or destroyed.

  • The FDA Deeming Rule prohibits manufacturers from changing the packaging of a product (except labels) introduced before Aug. 8, 2016. Any alteration to the product — including new bottles — would make a deemed product non-compliant and subject to the requirement for an approved premarket tobacco application before it can be legally sold.

  • a PMTA could cost over $1 million, and there is no guarantee it will be accepted and approved by the FDA. That’s why not a single application has yet been submitted for any vaping product, nearly three years after the Deeming Rule was finalized.

E-liquid sellers could be caught in a terrible Catch-22: comply with one federal rule and be out of compliance with another. If both agencies enforce their rules, the entire independent industry could be flattened - vaping360

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Just a heads up there has been a thread started, Link below :+1:
@woftam will fix im sure

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Yea i noticed that I was editing the entire thread to something else while i got your message

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Sorry I should read first. Reopened as it is not related now

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Here in my city, Barcelona, Spain at the moment, the maximum you can buy is in a 10ml. bottle and strength 20 … prepare in usa …

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Here in the UK and in Germany it’s the same. However, if you have a business license or know someone who has one you can still order 72mg nic base. I just hope the stuff lasts 100 years in my freezer.

The bastards won’t stop trying until they found a way to stop us from vaping. America is just the beginning. Once they found a way I’m sure we’ll have the same mess in the EU.

Thank god I’m too old to start a riot. But I still can choose who to give my vote. And it won’t be going to any of the established parties. They have showed us too many times that they don’t care for anything but their personal wealth.

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This:

seems to be directly at odds with:

The fact that the first statement makes such a bold and sweeping (and absurd) claim (when we all know good and well that big tobacco/pharma both have projects in the works and plans in place), seemingly gives reason to question every other aspect of the article as a result. (Not that I doubt the Feds are trying to intentionally throw additional confusion onto the market/industry in another attempt to delay and/or cloud matters while they fight for who has the power, and where the money goes…)

Ordinarily, I have had little issue with Mr McDonald’s reporting… But this single point seems to be a COLOSSAL fuckup IMO.

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Its not a vape. The heat not burn is basically a small battery with a heater you stick in a minny cigarette.
They had a stand a Silverstone motogp couple of years ago and i had a try.

Although to be fair if its from the FDA its still most likely full of shit

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Well the FDA clearance I believe was just issued yesterday the 30th and this article came out on the 29th, so that wouldn’t be a fuck up.
They are also not calling that device a vaporiZer even though it basically is.
I haven’t verified anything in the article yet though it was all a copy paste from the site.

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It’s not a device, but last I knew (remember), even eliquid had to be submitted through the PMTA process.

That’s why so many eliquid ‘house brands’ and no-names disappeared from shelves on/during/after the 8-8 scare.

I don’t know if/how many/any have actually been approved or denied… But I know damn good and well there have been submissions.

Now, had Mr McDonald said “approved” instead of “submitted”…

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Your right there seems to be some oversight here because it appears the PMTA deadline has been extended now to 2022. This doesn’t make the article wrong yet but it does make’s me question the article as well I will look into the it more and debunk it if needed.

But has there truly been any PMTA submission’s considering it’s so prohibitively expensive and the deadline is extended?

https://www.vapingpost.com/2017/11/06/fda-pmta-delay-brought-optimism-to-us-vaping-industry/

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Well that’s a hell of a WTF isn’t it. Obviously the glass bottle and droppers guys are going to be screwed by this, but does this mean I should be buying more PET stock ?

Inverted and squoze no more than 2ml ehhh ?? So we are thinking, only LDPE or PET bottles, with check valves are the fix here ?

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I would think pet would be fine, those bottles are fairly rigid and I can’t imagine the grip strength of a five year old would be much more than a few pounds.

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I don’t know, and you bring up ANOTHER interesting WTF point. Is it merely the “inverted” and “squeeze” that we need to worry about, OR (as you said) are we actually talking about using 5 year olds to TEST the inverted squeeze thing ??

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I found this. It gives me a bit of hope.


Pounds on the left, age across the bottom.
Just think of how hard you have to squeeze a chubby gorilla bottle.

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Thank God. Maybe it’ll work out. :slight_smile:

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We can only hope!

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Or we are gonna have bottles like this!


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Alright Cut, here’s what we’re going to move to. Just because they said, squeezing is part of the trigger, then here you go…

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Also when we dispense liquid we use two fingers and pinch, have you ever tried to squeeze a bottle? I find depending on size it’s actually more difficult to get liquid out.

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