Okay... what's next?

Thankfully this is not happening in the UK. Yet!

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China don’t care about no stinking age verification rules. :metal::point_right: (emoji for peace out)

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Got an email from Lightning Vapes today with this in the content.

What’s up with this adult signature in my cart? I just wanted some juice!
In lieu of a handful of states such as CA, TX, MA implementing state laws requiring age verification on tobacco sales made online, we are required by law in those states to ensure that certain items here at LightningVapes.com are delivered to adults of legal smoking age in their respective state. Furthermore with the recent FDA regulations passed regarding electronic cigarettes, we will be implementing this nation wide, and expect the industry to follow suit come August of 2016.

To comply with these new laws, all of our new and existing customers must fill out this form . Alternatively a mailing service which requires adult ID verification upon delivery (increases shipping costs) can also be arranged.

To ensure prompt shipment of your order, please ensure that the name and address for shipping match your ID, otherwise we will require that you choose a shipping method which requires adult signature upon delivery.

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I ordered 500 ft of Kanthal from LV on the 9th, shipped on the 10th, and should be here tomorrow.

I didn’t have to fill out any form when I ordered. As far as I can remember (and that’s hit & miss at my age), I’ve never filled out any form at LV. I think I’ve done 4 or 5 orders from them in the last year.

I checked the carrier being used, UPS, and they use a hybrid service called Expedited Mail Innovations. Sounds like it’s UPS most of the way and then USPS for final delivery. I checked the FAQ at UPS to learn more about this service, since I didn’t think anyone would be home to sign for the order (if a sig was required) and on the UPS FAQ it said

Q. Is a signature required by the recipient for delivery confirmation service?
A. No, a signature is not required for delivery.

Is LV just sending the emails to random customers, getting us prepared? I double checked my email and didn’t get the email that @Big_Benny_MI is referring to.

Guys, keep in mind the Vape accessories are exempt from the regulations. Wire, chargers, skins, parts (glass,etc), cables, cotton, and other things of the like do not have to be age verified…

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So there was an interesting thread on reddit by a vendor, CloudAlchemist, the other day. As part of the regulations flavor manufacturers, with intended us for the newly defined tobacco use, will have to submit confidential formulations for the Tobacco Product Masterfile. Any company that refuses to do so will, Lorann being specifically named in this thread, will not be allowed to be used in ejuice manufacturing by commercial vendors as ejuice manufacturers will have to provide an ingredient list as part of the registration process.

So basically this means any company that uses Lorann flavorings in their mixes will have to reformulate or remove the product from its line.

This is just my opinion but the most popular ejuice that uses a Lorann flavoring is the juice that launched the company, Bombies Nana Cream. I remember when Michael would open the online store once a month as he held another job at the time. The store would be open for maybe an hour before he reached his order limit and many of those orders were for Nana Cream. I find it sad that they will have to reformulate especially considering the other banana cream, (TFA), does not taste like the LA version at all.

What does this mean for us DIYers who use LA colorless products that are special ordered by DIY companies for us with the intended use in a tobacco product? Will said vendors still be able to even purchase them? Will we have to go back to group buys? LA will sell colorless versions but to my knowledge you need to order 5 gallons at a time, they mix it when you order it.

Maybe one of the vendors we carry these flavorings can chime in and answer a question or two.

Edit to include the link to the PDF on LA’s site: PDF
It is in the thread i posted the link to but i thought id just post it in case their are some who would rather not go to reddit.

EDIT 2: GremlinDIY, the candy supply vendor, will continue to carry the colorless versions. Also, sorry but i didnt realize that this was in the hardware subforum.

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Got the same email

Thanks, I thought that might have been the reason.

I’ll toss in a Part 2 to this question. Is LV just getting the policy implemented now, to get ahead of the game? Or is it state specific (Fla) at this time?

I ordered 2 mech mods from Beyond Vapes in California yesterday, and didn’t have any forms to fill out, for age verification.

It’s tough to try and stay up to speed with all the regulations, and misinformed rumors flying around out there now. I’m sure a lot of the ‘fogginess’ of the regulations is intentional, so it allows the FDA to adjust their interpretation & intended use, at a later date.

Many thanks to those here, trying to keep everyone informed. I’m glad that I am pretty much at the end of my ‘stock up’ phase.

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yes. :eyes:

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Just tried to place an order with originvape.com and now it seems they won’t ship abroad.
This has just happened because i was looking there last friday and they were quite prepared to ship then. They gave me 2 options for post to the uk last friday and now they won’t ship at all. Wtf?!?

Methinks the fear is setting in.

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It is. And i had to do an ID check. No charge though.
Makes you wonder what’s next.

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Here’s a Pre-order but that just means it’s “What’s Next” right? A mini Griffin 25. I read some people saying they were disappointed with the flavor of the current full-sized Griffin 25. Maybe a shorter chimney is the solution? I couldn’t find any reviews (youtube)

Elego Mall should send me one so I can do a review :innocent:
…maybe a black one and a stainless as I am very indecisive

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Though it’s not but looks like the Moon Shot. Bet flavor gonna be great.

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The Moonshot was something on my wishlist …prolly wait for this one. I love my Griffin 22 that I updated with the top airflow set

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I haven’t quit using MS since I bought it.
It has got to be the easiest wicking RTA on the market. Put in the coils is a challenge, then throw cotton in leaving it long press ring down over deck then trim excess cotton. Done. I watched the video from Ecig at bottom of moonshot page. Never had a problem.

Yes good deal I paid $26 for two. Watch the video if your buying ms.
Edit $26 each.

The non-adjustable juice flow has me thinking against the Griffin 25 mini. I don’t find the full sized 25 lacking in flavor at all, quite the opposite. Just my 2¢.

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Well glad to hear that! That’s why we do this… thx!

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