Black vine originaly released Sept 26 2018 on a private website it was released properly to the wider public later the same year. They had to develop it first though which takes the 2018 back maybe 1 year. First recipe using (Fa) “Dragon fruit” is March 2018, nearly 7 months before the September 26 2018 of the black vine release.
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Superb, I have everything else, so I’ll stick it together for her, thanks man. Yeah I’ll probably start out .75% sweetener as she doesn’t like things overly sweetened. She’s got really interested in my vapes and keeps wanting to try mine but finds it a little much so I have recommended she do a single coil setup, she got Blaze Solo 2 RTA coming, gonna try her at 50w on a 6 turn fralien.
I hear you about the CAP Concord, and the stevia makes it really nice, but that colour, practically radioactive!! 
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I did too until i actually checked the time it was released, well, i didnt check its actual release, i just asked ai if FA dragon fruit or black vine released first,lol.
Now im going back to something i mentioned earlier on this year, about it having a strong resemblance to the “funk” found in FLV golden kiwi & some of their other flavours, it really does remind me of that “FLV funk”, so im wondering if FLV dragonfruit might be a match? Im struggling to actually find it in stock anywhere though.
Honestly though just from mixing various combinations of dragonfruits, passionfruits, cactus, jackfruits etc, i think im starting to realize that there are likely thousands of combinations of different “tropicals” that it could be? Lychee, guava, kiwi, guanabana, soursop, yakima/hops, dragonfruit, mangosteen, jackfruit, the list goes on. & i think various different combinations of these could also lead to a similar “tropical profile” to whats in the black vine?
So far though i think the cactus, jackfruit + passion have been the closest, but its still not there yet.
Still need to test a LOT more stuff though.
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When I was searching sites for the (fa) “dragon fruit” I noticed (wizard vapes) had (Flv) “Df”. I don’t think it’s worth ordering just 1 flavour though and having to pay p&p. I haven’t properly looked through the whole site for other flavours to make a larger order though but I remember them having a lot of (inawera) including “shisha lemon”
As soon as get the (tpa) "jackfruit " instead of using (wf) I’ll be able to taste it properly.
The flavour notes on(Flv) “Df” are like the missing almost herbal/tea like flavour I was trying to explain in black vine.
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Nice, never actually used wizard vapes before, ill check them out though.
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Can you mix this if/when you get chance please & push me in a direction, i need to know your thoughts here too
.@Dj35 i think you need to try this one too👌, DO NOT buy CAP blackcurrant from king flavour though, get it from alchemists cupboard, im not even sure what king flavour has is even capellas? (Mine is different anyway, its harsh/musky compared to the one from alchemists is nice, bright & juicy they even smell different out the bottles)
Edit - also pretty sure you can drop the cactus, i put 2 drops into a 30ml but i dont think it needed it tbh. Definitely need to try this one though, its so close.
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Don’t need the (fa) "dragon fruit anymore so I’m ordering from (Alchemist"s) on the 5th. Order includes (tpa) “jackfruit” (cap) “blackcurran” and (fa) “concord”. Will mix this with (wf) “jf” in the meantime. Recipe looks good.
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Yes will do definitely, I’ll put it together later on today when I got a bit of time. My Cap Black Currant happens to be from alchemist cuboard aswell, must admit that did confuse me when you mentioned harsh in an earlier post. that FA concord percentage looks good too, I was also hovering around .5%-.75% in my attempts. I assume at 16.75% total and leaving out the cream/tfa sweetener is for testing or a new school of thought??
That would be my other question as well, could it be that the original recipes are mixed at say a certain percentage, like for instance 16.75%, rather than being made to 20%, then made into a concentrate at that percentage and used at 20%? Is that same difference? I Think I might be confused how these things work.
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It’s really good of the shake. The (tpa) “dragon fruit” seems to mix with the other flavours and create a creaminess. Tropicals taste about right (didn’t add “cactus”). When I use the correct flavours instead of the substitute s I’ve used im thinking it Will taste about Spot on. Will let rest until tomorrow and taste again.
Well done.
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Yes, even if the recipe total was 5% they will still dilute it/top it off with pg & say use it at 20%, if you have a little mess around with the “make into one-shot” option in the calculator, find a low % recipe then click make one shot, set the recommended mix % to 20% & how much total to make & you’l see how it works properly better than what i can explain it,lol.
& yeah, please do let me know when you have mixed it up, its also fine to test literally right after shaking, you know i wouldnt have asked you to mix it up if unless i felt it was necessary for progress, all the other versions i have made i have probably only asked one other time to test one for me.
I have a feeling you might like this one 
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Its still not “perfect” but damn its so close.
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ATM im thinking the “cream” in this eliquid is actually coming from the dragonfruit or from the combination of dragon/jack/passion fruits ?
I do have a couple versions with vanilla swirl too but im not sold just yet,lol.
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WOW! that is close! the funk smell seems the same and everything, It’s not a million miles away is it? Lovely vape, Definitely reminiscent of the og, nice work.
It’s not as dry as the original, it seems to be missing that dry powered sugar mouthfeel thing. Do you think there might be a vanilla in the og? I’m wondering if there is .5% of FA Vienna and/or Marshmallow or even OoO powered sugar itself, idk thought i’d put it to you??
Wondering how this will steep over a day or so, the tropicals do seem almost too prominent, almost like i’m getting a touch too much passion fruit, but none the less it does seem damn near correct, not sure whether that’s just a case of tweaking ratios or whether they are being naturally covered up by whatever that thing is I mentioned maybe?
But man, how promising is this! you’re making some really good progress with this, well done m8.
Yeah no worries, I was just waiting for things to be figured out a little, I hope my comments are in some way useful, I can only tell you what I think, but you might well know better about what is going on with this because so many times I thought there might be this or that in it and just been plain wrong.
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It could just be vanilla swirl as we did before? But that powdery texture does come through more as it steeps too so im gonna test the other versions over this next week or so & try get those %'s dialed in a little more.
Try yours again tomorrow/day after etc, let me know your thoughts as it steeps too.
I thought you might like this one though , it really isnt far off at all, we should have your actual clone recipe pretty soon now.
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Yeah absolutely, will defo try it as it steeps. as soon as you smell it from the bottle and knuckle test it you can tell it’s so close. I knew you would have success with this, great work.
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does FA forest mix have strawberry in it?
im strawberry blind and get an almost waxy harshness from many of them
i did try forest mix a long time ago and i didn’t get the hype at all. seemed very artificial
maybe i got a bad batch and its worth revisiting unless there is an obvious strawberry in it
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There is supposed to be, but i’ll be honest and say it’s not obvious to me, I get more the dark berry. Interestingly one is not pictured on the bottle, but is in the picture used on the Flavour Art website.
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Yes i think so? I mean i smell it from the concentrate a little but not really so much when vaping it (if at all?), its hard to pinpoint each individual fruit in there, its just very “red-dark berry’ish” is the best way i would describe it. Honestly i think its a great flavour, so easy to mix with, goes with just about anything & doesnt get wierd even when pushed to stupid crazy %'s, its also great as a supporting role at low %'s.
But anyway, yeah if you like dark berry mixes i would 100% give this one a go, the most recent one i posted (minus the cactus) is really not far off the rochford projects black vine.
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Well, there is no getting away from the fact that this is very tasty as is, think the tropicals will definitely need tweaking and toning down if it doesn’t calm down with a longer steep, getting a little more of that at the moment over the main profile but on the right track though i’d say. I don’t know which way you would go, increase berry/currant/grape or decrease tropical.
It has got dryer, not quite og dry and powdery but nice none the less. I think that’s kinda what makes the og moreish is that effect, because you keep wanting to go back to quench it if that makes sense, like dry red wine. That said I can’t seem to put this one down lol
At this stage It does stand up on it’s own as a really nice remix though. Beauty.
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Try adding 0.5% vanilla swirl to it? The vanilla swirl does lend to that powdery sugar texture, but yeah, tweaking the tropicals shouldnt be a problem, i will test both approaches just to be sure (raising dark & lowering tropicals) then i will balance it out a little more from there.
I will put whats left of these versions away for a week or so now just so i can see how these particular variations steep/develop etc. But i will make some slightly tweaked variations next run, i want to also test CAP blackcurrants limits properly over the next week or 2.
Glad you’re enjoying this one though, i know its not perfect yet but im pretty confident we now have most/if not all of the right ingredients.
Im just not 100% certain about the vanilla swirl or the “cream” aspect of this eliquid ? Aside from that i think every other ingredient seems right?
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I’ve lowered “dragon fruit” to 1.75% and increased “BC” and"FF" to 6%. It has a really nice flavour saturation same as og. The creaminess from the combination of tropicals is good but slightly less than og. I’m thinking it’s from the fruit but how it’s been achieved without adding cream has me scratching my head. When I get (tpa) “Jf” instead of the (wf) I’m using I’m thinking it will be even closer.
I’ve mixed the last recipe and used “Guanabana” instead of “passion” because “Guanabana” has a creaminess. It doesn’t work anywhere as well as “passion”.
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