Thank you, at least it seems I’m doing something right lol.
Cupcake World is one I’ve heard of but have overlooked, an issue I’ve sort of been having is that up until recently I have been going by what the most used, more popular flavours are, and that have good flavour notes attached to them in order to give myself the best chance of picking decent flavours to try, of course the problem with that is I am cloning a UK juice that may well of used UK sourced flavours that don’t necessarily have wider use and have a lack of flavour notes/recipes since the bulk of the stuff on ELR are from US mixers. Still, I have started looking closer to home now, maybe that’ll make a little difference.
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Black or dark grape, blackcurrant, & blackberry would fit in with the black vine name as being described as black vine fruits.
You say 2018 was when Black Vine was released?
Then it had been released not long after two of the most successful juices of all time.
All day grape and heisenberg by Vampire Vape.
I dont know if vampire vape were marketing this at the time but…
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Ah yes, again another one I’ve overlooked, think someone mentioned in a post in a different thread that they do a good blackcurrant as well, and I put that to the back of my mind. Going to have to explore that me thinks, it’ll have to wait till pay day though now because I’ve bought so many flavours already this month lol on the shopping list it goes!!
For now I’m going to experiment with the Decadent Vapours (Djinni) I have. On shopping list will be Drip hacks, vampire vape, cupcake world.
The Blackberry has been a funny one, definitely think it’s in here, I mean it’s in the Black Vine poster/art work, has to be in there. Just not sure if it’s in as part of a Berry/forest mix or as an individual ingredient. Tried FA, even as a dilution and at small percentage is, I think, a no. TPA seems wrong also, CAP was better and was quite tasty. I have FW but haven’t tried it yet but off the knuckle really taste like it would be in this…hmm!
Also explored boysenberry as well but seems wrong.
I noticed there is a blueberry in the picture, maybe as part of a forest mix but CAP blueberry jam is seeming like something I am tasting. The juice seems sort of jammy and I am going the theory that it’s somthing similar to a blackcurrant forward version of Amy’s jam base. I have FA bilberry in at .5% as well to further enhance the blackcurrant.
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I have been messing around with this profile for a little bit now, not trying to clone it or anything because i havent tried black vine, i suppose you could call it a blind remix just drawing inspiration from the flavour description & reviews (when im happy it matches what im reading/hearing i will make a public version but as it stands i really do not like releasing recipes that havent been through at least some proper development/properly tested, so far its pretty damn tasty though).
But anyway, while i was browsing i stumbled on an old recipe called “the vine” (from a little before RP launched), & this recipe was by a guy by the name of DemonVaper, which im sure you know is jay from rochford project - the recipe -
- FA Blackcurrant (Ribes): 3.5%
- TFA Blackberry: 0.75%
- FA Fuji Apple: 1.0%
- TFA Dragonfruit: 1.5%
I would bet that his “black vine” has a pretty similar foundation being that it was most likely where black vine originated from?
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That’s really helpful. I had the same thought about trying to find out the persons name who later developed “black vine” and looking through his recipes, but I wasn’t sure who it is.
I’m ordering some on the first week of July on pay day so can sample it myself. That picture is very useful as well.
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ahh yes you’re right, he did go by the name DemonVaper. His ELR Forum and Youtube name is Soundcrow. I thought I seen “The Vine” a while back but can’t find it now, wonder if he’s caught wind of this clone attempt and pulled it. 
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I can’t find any listings on ELR or ATF under DemonVaper or sound crow or recipes called “the vine”. Its would have been very good if we had.
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Google Gemini says…
The popular e-liquid “The Black Vine” was created by James Strobridge (also known as Jay “The Demon Vapor”). He is the founder and primary flavor designer of The Rochford Project, an artisan e-liquid company based in southeast England.The Black Vine is well-known in the vaping community for its complex, fruity profile.The Flavor: A blend of sweet blackcurrant, grape, and other fruits with a slight creamy undertone.The Brand: James Strobridge started The Rochford Project (originally named “The Demon Vaper”) in early 2016 after giving up smoking and discovering a passion for mixing high-quality, artisan e-liquids.You can find the e-liquid and other flavors on The Rochford Project Store.Would you like me to find where you can buy The Black Vine in the UK, or are you looking for flavor profiles of similar e-liquids?
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Wondering now if that’s where the ever so slight soapyness I sometimes get when I vape this stuff really hard is coming from…TPA Blackberry…mmm! And it’s not unpleasant either, you mostly don’t get it unless you’re practically drinking the stuff, I mean, I’d bath in the stuff if I could lol
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So @SpeedeeVape are you going to mix up that recipe @RicklePick-Eddie1z found? It seems like you can’t be far off cracking the code. If that’s not literally the actual recipe?
I could make it myself if I had the blackcurrant. I just got a flavour delivery today too:(
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Think I’ll give it a whizz as is out of curiosity, I doubt very much if it’s the final recipe as it seems like it’s missing some things, not least the grape and a bunch of other forest type fruits, though I don’t taste an obvious grape in the original, which mystifies me. What I have done is incorporate It into my next planned recipe which I haven’t mixed yet.
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Ok so after seeing this i went back to try find where i saw the recipe & i cant find where i saw it now, ai definitely pointed me in the direction but im sure i came across it just browsing through?
Im going to have to try this eliquid at some point though because im actually enjoying the recipe im working on atm it would be nice to try the original to see if i could identify any of the ingredients &/or send what i have built out so far, in that direction/get it close?
What i have built out i really dont think is going to be close to black vine just because of some the flavours i have used but, going from descriptions i have tried to utilize whatever flavours i had on hand & thought would supply the notes needed,
If you want to test mine & see if you could point it in the right direction/see where it goes wrong, do you have these flavours -
- Fa blackcurrant
- Cap black currant (silverline)
- Cap concord grape (w/stevia)
- Fa fuji apple
- Ssa raspberry blackberry
- tfa vanilla swirl
If you dont have ssa rasp blackberry then INW rasp or WF rasp gummy & TFA or CAP blackberry should work fine too. I would have also liked to try FA concord grape instead of CAPs though but CAPs is good.
Im happy enough with the recipe atm to share via this thread (instead of making it public on my elr profile just yet) if anyone did want to try it, i dont really like making unfinished recipes public if i can help it & while the recipe is pretty good, i am still working on it.
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You’re basically ending up down the same road I am with those flavours, everything except the Raspberry blackberry. I have INW raspberry and most blackberries though. I tried “the vine” recipe and it don’t seem right, but I don’t know if that’s because it’s missing so much else, was hoping it was going taste instantly recognisable to me. I so wish the original was available to more people.
When I knuckle test and smell the bottle of concentrate, I think I’m picking up a mix of Cap Blackcurrant and FA Blackcurrant and I’m smelling strawberry!, the strawberry is throwing me through a loop because none is pictured in artwork but I have to imagine that it could be part of that smoothie looking mix. To recreate what I’m smelling I’ve ended up with a 3:1 ratio of TPA Strawberry : INW Shisha Strawberry. The grape I can’t smell nor taste in the concentrate and that baffles me except a comment I remember Jay (soundcrow) leaving on a reviewers video that only a little grape is added as it can easily overtake the profile. So I ended up messing with CAP Concorde Grape, previously I had been using FA Concorde @ .25%-.5% but wasn’t convinced. Also been messing with a combination of FA Concorde + FA White grape, In the end I felt this was complicating things too much and decided I need to work on the main blackcurrant/dark berry section first and come back to it.
So, I’m currently working on trying to create a full blackcurrant using the two Blackcurrants, bilberry, blueberry jam and blackberry. I am using 1-1.5% of harvest berry for support and for a little raspberry. I swear when I tried to add raspberry whether individually or through forest fruit (which to me is raspberry forward) it’s ended up as this candy boiled sweet tasting thing.
Please take everything I am saying with a pinch of salt because I don’t feel like I have a handle of this hobby at all.
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Im actually uk so i would have access to rochford project its just bringing myself to buy commercial liquid,lol. I do think i will end up trying it eventually just to see.
I do actually think its fa & cap blackcurrants though too because those are the only 2 that seem to match the descriptions of black vine from what i have tried & judging by notes on other BCs i have read through anyway?
The grape like you said could just be used low to push the “purple” a bit? I would assume fa fuji is in there too just because it seems the obvious/most logical choice? The mixed fruit part could be a number of things, this is whats going to be the hardest part, especially if some are only subtle accents? But from a commercial standpoint i would think it’d make more sense to get the mixed fruit part down in 1 hit, meaning with just 1 flavour? Maybe 2? Because extra separate accents means they would have to buy bulk of extra concentrates & commercial eliquid manufacturers hate having to buy over 5/6 bulk flavours for a single recipe, some absolutely will but a lot will lile to keep production costs as low as possible, that said rochford project doesnt seem lile one of those companies from what i have seen though so im not sure? It still wouldnt make sense to me jay using/stacking individual flavours for each & every layer/accent when he could get multiple with 1 or 2? Either way with the ammount of raspberries, strawberries etc that are available to us, there are bound to be multiple other combinations that will do exactly what they need to do.
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Youve probably watched all of the reviews but just in case i thought this was interesting.
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It’s definitely worth a try, can’t recommend it enough. As I say they started selling it as a 30ml concentrate now, a bit cheaper than the 100ml shortfill and you’re getting 150ml if mixed at 20%
FA Fuji has been in all my mixes at 1% seems to fit in perfectly at that percentage.
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This actually explains the dragonfruit, the guy is picking it up as “passion’y” or “mango’y” but i would put my life that what he is tasting in the back is TFA dragonfruit at either 0.75% or 1%, possibly 1.5% depending what it has to break through to actually be “picked out”?
So far going by reviews & descriptions etc, i think the main foundation consists of fa & cap blackcurrants in some ratio, fa fuji, tfa dragonfruit (maybe even cap?), tfa,cap or fw blackberry (quite low%), cap concord grape quite low maybe just to enhance the “purple”? Its just getting that “berry” part down, there are possibly thousands of combinations that could achieve a similar goal if it being “strawberry & raspverry” based, but if he used 1 singular concentrate for the berry, this narrows it down a bit & i would take a guess at either fa forest fruits (this can be also pushed extremely high to achieve different results at different wattages), or my second guess would be fw razzleberry ?
Edit - also, i think vanilla swirl might be in there too pretty low, or something similar to it, something thats light at lower wattages but turns pretty creamy when you crank the wattage? I know vanilla swirl does this, so does wf french vanilla (thick) but i dont think that would be in there. There are probably more that do thia too that i just havent noticed or even tested for things like this.
This is all from never even sniffing the original eliquid mind so all this is just speculation really from my part, call some of it a little educated guessing maybe? just going from flavour descriptions/reviews of the eliquid really so i could be miles away?
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I had exactly the same thought about TPA dragon fruit, It’s weird some say “passion’y” or “mango’y” others say apricot and Vaping with Vic say’s some version of a melon. also some say they think there might be a citrus in there. Sometimes I just don’t know what to think, taste is so subjective and some of these reviewers have no personal experience with mixing. Not an easy one to crack this and I don’t know whether that the artwork is telling the whole story or not, or whether it’s just representing the experience.
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I do think it might be a mistake to think that Jay is a typical comercial ejuice maker that uses as few flavours as possible because of it simply making commercial sense, I thinks it’s more likely that he’s put together complex flavour accord bases that he uses along side the main profile flavours, that’s the impression I have got from my understanding of Jay. But I could be wrong and it’s either that difficult or decievingly simple, I’m thinking Amy and her jam base style of complexity.
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