You mean this isn’t normal? What are we doing? This should be the norm.
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Dunno I’m new here and this has just been a nice lively discussion. I’m used to only reading old discussions in old threads.
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Oh it gets worse. The first bottle of Kasiandora Cream he nic 3mg he started vaping right away and it he said it was a peach plum yogurt. The next one he did it “right” and and waited a week and it’s now a proper peach and blood orange yogurt. Say what? 
And this citrus note to the yogurt alone comparing greek vs non and such when it literally has pineapple and orange in it is just numpty talk. Naa mate, ya learned the right flavors and concocted a story to fit it.
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His review for Black vine is on his Facebook page, link below, though not fully convinced by a few of his assumptions, but everything else seems to fit. One being that he didn’t know whether he was sent an unsteeped liquid but couldn’t really detect a cream, but then did say he didn’t know, and also thinks that the mystery component is some version of a melon…mmm Idk, seems to vary wildly between reviewers. It’s an old video this and the rochford project do indeed sell their stuff from their website now, unlike what was mentioned in video.
And I think you’re right, he can be very clueless, didn’t really want to share this to be honest for fear it may muddy the water. Not overly keen on him tbh.
Also, I think we can assume Jay didn’t use koolada and not too much grape in his recipe, this is a comment that Jay left on someone else’s review of his liquid…
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From what I’ve gathered and from the impressions of the liquid, the juice cover art seem accurate on what flavors are in the juice. The quantity depicted does not.
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Yeah, picture will have you believe it’s an absolute grape fest, and there’s only a few blackcurrants lingering in the forground, and one blueberry! lol It definitley captures the experience and the gorgeousness of the liquid itself, but it definitley can’t be taken quite that literally.
I really do think that if this liquid does contain anything like CAP Concord or FA Corcord or some other dark grape, it’s only in there at like .25-.75%, and maybe there are flavours in it that have a grapey like profile that’s not an actuall grape flavour but are conspiring to create this deep, dark and sweet blackcurrant forward grape flavour. It my opinion, it’s that nuanced.
The problem I’m having is that everything is so well blended to me that when I have tried to start with and build around individual flavours, I can’t tell if I’m actually dealing with one of the correct components because everything seems to conspire to create this overall flavour, does that make sense? I think I lack the pallet to distinguish individual components, I remember I was always crap at that in school cooking lessons when we were tasked with the same excercise.
In terms of the blackcurrant, Putting CAP and FA Blackcurrants together is the closest I got to what I think I’m tasting and smelling, but I tasted DV blackcurrant and that seems like it could be the one also 
but then, I suppose there are flavours that have similar characteristics that could be a good sub for one another.
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Yeah, you just have to play with each component till you get it right. I know you have, but I’m sure you are a lot closer now than the ones I saw you posting in the beginning that I was confident were not it.
Well IIRC, good on Eddie1z doing that combination first. I didn’t think the Silverline BC would be the move after reading it shares some candy-ish attributes. But then again, I see the other flavors bending it realistic. I have some DV stuff but not the BC. Is the DV clear? The high flavor total would make even more sense if it was used as I’m guessing it needs to be cranked up like everything else I have from them.
Edit(forgot grape) So this would be a DV mix I would try. Flavoring is 20% on the money.
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I’ve just received my “Black vine” concentrate and should have got missing flavours I need from (Nomz) but looks like parcel not left Northern Ireland MC, yet.
Hopefully receive tomorrow.
Anyway the “black vine” is not what I expected. There’s no one flavour standing out more than another, as you said “it’s really smooth and well blended”. A reviewer said maybe “mango” or “passion fruit” . I think it’s probably “Dragon fruit” as in “the vine” recipe base.
You taste the “Dragon fruit” clearly right at the base of the other flavours and I can pick out the “apple”.
The “grape” tastes like grape juice so that would be “concord grape” but tastes like it’s mixed quite low.
The creaminess is really low and sort of blankets the other flavours.
When/if I receive the flavours I need from (Nomz) I’ll mix the recipe above and the recipe from @RicklePick-Eddie1z , and any other that looks close.
I think these recipes are close to a clone.
I’ll start experimenting and hopefully we will be a little closer to a clone.
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I got the concentrate today too, but from smelling the bottle im almost sure i get a dominant “tfa jackfruit” smell from the bottle, i wont know until i mix it & test it but yeah, not what i expected it to smell like either tbh, im almost sure that its tfa jackfruit i can smell, either that or i imagine it could also be a high % of dragonfruit? The highest iv used tfa dragonfruit is 2% & it didnt leave a smell like that in the bottle (i do think there may also be dragonfruit in there too though?)
Once i get back i will mix some up & start testing properly before i make any more variations, i also need a few more flavours that im low/out of.
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Your possibly right with the “jackfruit” although I more associate it with more of a “bubblegum” like taste, (I use It in my “bubblegum” mix) but I’ve just retasted and I see exactly what you mean.
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I made this based off Eddies first recipe
Didn’t have FA blackcurrant so built an approximation with what I do have.
The North Pole is a super cold proprietary mix from a local Aus supplier and was waaaaay to much, started off great but was muted and overpowered by the 5th day but up until that I was very impressed. Will definitely have a play around and refine this one.
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I will say though that the core foundation doesnt seem too far off really, the original doesnt seem as dark as you would expect from something called “black vine” i think judging by the smell alone, i need to back down the “darkness” a little & punch it up with either a high % of dragonfruit, jackfruit, or a combination of the 2.
Another thing that come to mind was something else Nilbur mentioned earlier o, in INW dragonfruit actually adding some dragonfruit “flavour” to the mix, now atm im not sure about “flavour” because i havent even mixed it yet, but smell wise i would say ‘if’ dragonfruit IS the “tropical section” everyone brings up, then i would say judging by its smell there has to be a good ammount of dragonfruit flavour in there because its all i could smell untill id had a good few sniffs,lol.
Im fairly confident with all our combined input that we will get something considerably close to the black vine.
Love all the engagement BTW, even if we didnt get a “clone” im certain we will create a fantastic recipe/s from all this either way.
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SSA blackcurrant is pretty similar to FA, i have actually used both interchangeably in other recipes without really noticing much a difference, other than ssa being a bit stronger.
Awssome stuff though.
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For me SSA BC is getting on for MB Sharp BC, It’s lovely, has great notes, but I could always tell it was there and in my opinion not the one. Though, I do have to start sentences with “in my opinion” because It remains to be seen whether my opinion means anything since I can be wrong about a great many things. Lol
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Good stuff DJ35!!! I don’t taste the TFA DF in my mixes and the 1% of Fuji was getting hard to pick up compared to the original Jay’s 4 flavor mix @RicklePick-Eddie1z found. I’ve been wanting so, I’m going to try a mix today with INW DF (pitaya) low just for science.
Holy smokes, I totally forgot about FA DF. I have a 30ml of it just laying around and never really messed with it much. Thanks for contributing!
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Opps, I missed some comments cause something came up in the middle me of leaving the last. I can’t see any high % of TFA DF showing up since it’s such a tame flavor. The FA DF idea @Dios used seems possible if yas think Jackfruit could be involved. Just putting it out there if ya have the FA to compare as it doesn’t take much of either it or INW to show up with everything going on in the mix and it does brighten it up more with the apple.
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I’m thinking (inw) “dragon fruit” (haven’t got (fa)) but it could be (fa). There’s a tropical funky fruit that’s quite prominent. I’m trying (inw) dragon fruit " with (tpa) jackfruit" and (cap) “sweet mango” with (tpa) “jackfruit” (cap) is the least funky of the mangoes. Still think it’s “dragon fruit” though.
Waiting for my (nomz) order that should have arrived today to start mixing as ran out of (fa) “blackcurrant” about a year ago, been using (ssa) instead.
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Well, I’m vaping my EP2 mix with FA instead of the TFA and it’s really good. I’ll polish this off in no time and mix the INW version I skipped cause I’m thinking I’ll like it the best. But man this is so good too. 
It is definitely brighter and I slightly over dropped the Fuji as noted in the recipe. I get a more tropical vibe off this version for sure.
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Nice. This is one I’ll try out but with the (inw) . I’ve got 3 “dragon fruit” flavours but (fa) not one of them.
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I will say the grape doesn’t seem to be calming down in this as it was before. Swapping out the DF I’m actually tasting it and I get a rollercoaster of flavor changes on exhale that is quite awesome. I’m getting tropical with the apple follow, then it goes mixed berry led by the blackberry, and then grape and finishes with a blackcurrant mouthcoating finish. Unreal chameleon of a vape(off the shake anyway). If ya have ever seen it, it reminds me of this paint color in a vape.
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