Some awesome ideas here i want to try & i think within all out contributions i think the right flavours are here, i definitely think its either a more prominent dragonfruit or jackfruit though, i only ever tried tfa dragonfruit & purilum dragonfruit & never needed to go past 2% in anything i needed it for, i used the last of my tfa dragonfruit in my last variation, i literally had like 1/2ml left when i started playing with this.
Im actually back home now & i just mixed up a quick 30ml of blackvine, off the shake im definitely getting either dragonfruit or jackfruit its hard to actually tell because iv never used a dragonfruit high enough to actually taste it like this so i really think it could be either honestly? plus i have only ever tried tfa & purilums dragonfruit anyway so it could well be fa or inws versions if they do indeed add actual dragonfruit flavour too? What im smelling smells a little bit like purilums dragonfruit (its all i have to side by side atm, but i always thought purilum dragonfruit smelt pretty similar to tfa jackfruit so its a bit of a circle, if its jackfruit i think its used a bit lower & boosted with dragonfruit? But i think if its just dragonfruit then it sounds like fa or inw dragonfruits would add that flavour it needs without needing to boost 1 off the other if that makes sense?
The next couple weeks i will have a better idea/hopefully an answer once i have had a little time vaping it, see if i can pick anything else after continuous vaping? & once i have made an order for a few flavours i need.
I do really wanna try inw & fa dragonfruits now though,lol.
Well Nomz still has that 20% sale going on, I don’t know who yas order from over there. I actually preferred INW over the FA which is why I haven’t played with the FA much. A little goes a long way with both of them. This is the first time I’m really liking something the FA is in. I have TFA Jackfruit as well but without tasting the actual juice I’m the blind leading the not.
Was the juice as close as your previous attempts after vaping it as opposed to just smelling it? Selfishly anything you 3 can tell me is all I have to go by. No rush, just keep me in mind. 
Oh, and I’ve pushed TFA Dragon fruit and even got a newer bottle thinking older concentrate lost flavor and even 5% or more didn’t seem like it was going anywhere. I’d be shocked if that was it but the blending it does makes sense some is in there.
I used the last of my tfa dragonfruit in my last variation & i was a bit short on that, but now i have tasted og the liquid i know the last attempt i mixed (black vine rmx 1.5 i think?) the actual darkfruit/berry part is really not rar off if but a little forward, now i only have purilum dragonfruit on hand atm so i added an extra 3%(maybe 3.5) purilum DF to the existing 1.5% tfa already in there & it pushed it way closer to the original profile. That v1.5 rmx i posted, take that recipe, back off the fa blackcurrant to around 2%, back off the concord grape to around 1% & crank the dragonfruit so it rides on top of everything (unsure on exact % until we know if its fa or inw or even tfa dragon+jack??) & it will be pretty damn close to the blackvine imo. It will still need some polishing up but that should give you a rough idea on where the original profile sits?
I have still only tried a couple drips of the original im going to let it sit a couple days so i can see how it steeps.
Also the liquid & concentrate is crystal clear, so if one of the dragonfruits is an obvious darker colour it might some indication which one it most likely is?
My original recipe is also crystal clear.
Also my 0.75 supersweet is a little bit sweeter than the original, i think its actually tfa sweetener around the 1.5%'ish mark +/- for sweetness reference.
Edit - also thanks for the heads up on nomz sale, hopefully its still on next week? I could grab 60’s of everything instead then,lol.
(inw) slightly coloured (very light amber) and (tpa) is crystal clear.
V 1.5 with increased “dragon fruit” were unsure of actual percentages yet.
(Fa) “Blackcurrant” 2%
Grape 1%.
Read you load and clear. Thank you.
I haven’t actually vapes it yet waiting 24 hours.
Got a rewicked RDA ready.
Can often pick up a lot tasting on back of hand
If its only needed quite low this might not be enough to change the overall colour of the finished liquid? Its worth making some up without the dragonfruit, then splitting it in half & adding inw to the one half &,tfa to the other (pushed or combined with jackfruit if you have it?). I think tfa may need a little help getting the punch thats in the original, which i think ackfruit, could help? its hard to say though atm wether it is actually a stronger dragonfruit or just a combination of tfa dragon+jackfruit? Due to my lack of experience with other flavourhouses dragonfruits.
But either way, purilums dragonfruit has pushed that recipe a lot closer to the original than it was originally, its still not the right one but the resemblance is definitely there. So if anyone can help with a dragonfruit similar to purilums but a bit brighter/more aggressive? But one that would also be quite easy to come by in the uk, in bulk, i think it would also be from a company that advertises msds from their website or are known companies for tpd/mhra compliance, which again doubles back to FA or INW (or TFA dragon+jack)? Come full circle 3 times in 1 comment,lol
Edit - it also has to be a flavour thats been available since 2015’ish. The black vine launchedbin 2016 iirc? but with recipe development/r&d plus the mandatory 6 month waiting period that all uk commercial eliquids require, i believe this recipe would have actually been complete in 2015
2nd edit - it actually launched in 2018 sorry.
Will be able to try tomorrow if/when my overdue flavours arrive. I’ve been tasting (cap) “dragon fruit” which is clear but it tastes too floral, so I think we can count that one out. I will try it with it though so we can eliminate it.
it’s been going on since the 24th of June so not sure how much time ya have left as I thought it would be over by now.
On the DF, FA is crystal clear like TFA, DJ35 is right INW has a little color but nothing like my Vanilla Swirl you been using and the DF would be used under one percent I’d think. I can mix up 5% TFA in the mix but I think it would need help still. I have VZ/FE DF too and a few others but don’t think they are worth mentioning for reasons above. The cream aspect I used is pretty darn clear too but I think a few things could be used without really changing much of anything
So my dark berry part might be closer strength since I’m not using Silverline Cap and only FA Blackcurrent?.
Yeah, FA is a little bit too TBH but the rest seems to calm it down, which is why I may like it so much in this recipe compared to previous mixes.
I know, I said IDK what I would change about EP2 after vaping 40mls of it. But my EP3 is starting to blend after coming back doing yard work 2 hours post mixing but I like it even more than EP2. Take it for what it’s worth.
Your ep3 looks really good and i will be mixing.
I’m sorry though folks I have to go out for the night.
Will tune back in tomorrow morning. Have a good night everyone.
I think at 1% it would be fine, probably even higher before it would start to change the colour, like you said vanilla swirl has colour & the 1% i use doesnt change it in the slightest. I also do believe im tasting vanilla swirl right on the finish (dont know if i mentioned that?) but i think its in there around 0.75%-1%'ish depending on how it reacts with the stronger/more aggressive dragonfruit?
Honestly both the fa & inw DFs sound promising, i will be ordering both next week anyway, along with the jackfruit + more tfa dragonfruit & whatever else i may need.
For the time being i am going to pull back the grape & blackcurrants a little & try to get those balanced out/a little more polished, i wil use purilum dragonfruit just to infuse that “tropical” sensation for now just because of how similar the base of it is to the original, if i overlook that its a lot less “punchey/bitey/aggressive” anyway.
Currently vaping with INW in the Ep5. It’s really good as well, it’s kind of a sideways move. I’m not sure if I like the INW or FA version better. Obviously no idea if this is more like the original or not.
Sorry missed this, yes DV BC is crystal clear.
With the mix you mentioned earlier, mixing DV BC and FA BC together would actually make more sense in my head…I think! than adding CAP BC…got to do some playing, DV BC is dialled down with that carnation and roses aroma that CAP has, or at least that’s what the blurb for the flavour describes it as…yeah, I think that’s what I’m getting, I mean, I would have described as mulled cat piss before I read that, but hey, whatever! But DV BC does have some of that, and I’m almost sure I managed to detect some through constantly smelling the concentrate, but have a lot of self doubt with this.
yeah it’s hard to say cause the other DF flavors bring a little funk. Like you said in so many words before, one can create something hard to distinguish from original if the flavors have the right compounds to get a similar result.
Ep5 flavor notes: I will say after vaping through the first INW DF tester that the INW mix was more blended like the TFA version, but even at 0.5% you can taste it pretty well in there. The FA DF in Ep3 had noticeable separation in comparison to the other 2 DF. This INW is a darker mix than the FA. I’m really enjoying this emulsified concoction. 
I’ve mixed @RicklePick-Eddie1z’s recipe and yours and there really good and close to original. I’ve combined everyone’s ideas and mixed a v1. Unfortunately I didn’t order the (cap) “Blackcurrant” but it sounds like it needs to go in and the (fa) “BC” lowered. I can’t quite get the background “dragon” and “jackfruit” the same as original. It’s only v1 though . I’m going to do a bit more experimenting.
Just to be clear, You mixed @RicklePick-Eddie1z 1.5 RMX 1:1 minus the Cap BC because you don’t have it, and my Ep5 1:1?
Did one lean more to the actual juice or were they about the same distance away just coming from different directions?
This direction tells me it is way more tropical than I’m picturing. By cutting the FF in half then bumping the INW DF 50% and adding some Jackfruit would throw the balance off pretty good for my pallet. I could see the Cap grape changing it some and Vswirl calming things down a little more than my cream angle but I guess I won’t know for sure till I mix a version using your guys cream and grape.
Another possibility that a friend has bought to my attention, that i need to try, is FA mangosteen, i described the “tropical” vibes im getting & he said INW pitaya (dragonfruit) initially, then jackfruit, but then he said that mangosteen could also fit the profile? Anyone ever tried FA mangosteen that can confirm if it is “dragonfruity” ??
Whatever it is in the original though is extremely close to purilum dragonfruit at 5%, the original just has a little more brightness/bite to it, every so often i do feel like its jackfruit im tasting but then it goes back to dragonfruit, so it could well be a combination of the 2? But this purilum dragonfruit pushed to 5% is also giving off “jackfruit vibes” so its hard to say for sure without the concentrates by my side to test them.
I have a few ideas im wanting to try & i have my shopping list ready to order, i am having trouble finding FA dragonfruit anywhere but direct, which would be a pain to have to pay another shipping cost for just 1 flavour,lol, if i feel i need it though i 100% will buy it, i am actually leaning more toward INW or a combination of TFA DF+JF though ? My friends fa mangosteen description was also interesting enough to get me to add it to my cart,lol.
So, our clues for this “tropical” / “dragonfruity” flavour are -
- its core is very similar to purilum dragonfruit, just brighter.
- has to have been available since around 2017.
- easily accessible, in bulk, in the uk.
- most likely to be a flavour that comes from a brand that advertise msds/mhra/tpd compliance etc.
INW pitaya - FA dragonfruit - TFA jackfruit - TFA dragonfruit are my “common suspects” here, but the FA mangosteen comment my friend made has also had me thinking🤔, i do need to try this flavour to confirm/rule it out.
Recipes look solid though tbh & i really dont think its far off, even in this one with purilum dragonfruit is close, its just lacking that final “bite” on the topend.
Lovely eliquid though, its not your typical overly sweet commercial liquid, you can actually tell this was made by someone whos hearts in DIY.
I’m going to be honest. I actually like yours a little more than the original. Yours is more darker fruits and I taste the dragon in background. But ! Yes your right you would need to increase the tropical and as “Ricklepick” says… “reduce the dark” . the background tropical is quite prominent.
Yours is more like what I imagined it would taste like before I actually did.
I’ve never even considered buying a “mangosteen” flavour. Thought it was a rock guitarist, lol. I’ll have a search online in a bit. Yes, we are close. I can imagine “mangosteen” being used because not many people would recognise it (sort of throws people of the scent) who want to try and copy it…
I have it. FA Mangosteen is pretty weird. It’s a hard one to explain and TBH beyond a sniff and knuckle test i just did, I would need a refresher as it’s been many years since I used it. Having said that, IMO That would definitely change this juice if we are pretty close.