My very first order was from nude, 100mg/ml. Looked good, titrated correctly, no off smell, but was harsh as all get out and ruined a couple of big batches (my fault for not tasting it first alone and no, it wasn't the cheap throat hit stuff), switched to Carolina Extracts and never looked back. I know that it's pricey, but the quality is worth the extra $$$ to me. The nic river stuff just as good? Seeing a lot of votes for it.