This thread, and others like it, always made me curious. I know what I use, which is typically (generally) 7 different brands. I mean, I think I have like a whole THREE from Liquid Barn, but I didn’t add them in, as having only a few, does not count as typical for me. And yes, I DO have too many flavors.
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I could keep responding but my adhd says it is here to play lmao… maybe I can come back and explain a bit more on my flavor thoughts at a later date… 
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I’ll make up for YOUR ADHD with my own, I have EXTRA !!!
I mean, I know how I mix, and I know how you mix @anon84779643, but was curious how OTHER people mixed. I agree my life WOULD be simpler if I could just use one, but for my palate, customers, and mental wellness, I have to use more. I’ve got a thought in my head, and having a hard time verbalizing it (as if), but I don’t think there are any “absolutes” in DIY mixing. Tons of different preferences, palates, styles, end goals, etc., and far too many to list them all.
My goal is NOT to pour gas on the “use one”, “use lots” debate, but I do think, that if your preferred method is to use just FLV, and you continue to post great recipes, people WILL start to get curious. I know I did. Whether or not, for better or worse, the DIY tent is a BIG tent, and there’s a LOT of us in here, hehe.
I for one LOVE to learn new tips, tricks, pairings, hidden gems, unexpected results. Wish I encountered them more often, but as of late, you have tweaked my interest in some more FLV’s. Got a pile now, and know nothing about them ROAR, so I will start out by mixing some other peoples mixes, to see what’s what. Then I will dive off into the frey.
As I mentioned above, it seems the whole Time, Money, Patience, Skill thing REALLY gets overlooked quite often. I know for myself, I have but a FRACTION of the time I would love to spend doing more SF tests, note taking, multi-% tests, pairings, but time is just too short. Anything that can SAVE me time (almost more important than money) is a PLUS for me right now. Had considered getting myself fired, for MORE DIY time, but then I’d have no budget hehe.
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Yeps me too!! 
yeps me too again 
I was taught… good juice happens. what I think on is this… share my recipe, show how I did mine… but when people taste… even tho they should be able to recognize flavor profile… make it hard for them to really match the taste with what is in the juice… This spawns “clones” of the juice and everyone has something to tinker with… while the creator can sit back laughing and enjoys seeing the “progress” of the juice that is not close enough to the “real” recipe. This in turn, if the recipe is shared… allows people (all of us) entertainment 
Yeps…
and this is true… it takes time and effort to understand your flavors and how they work together. If you do not put in the time, you have nothing at all.
Nooooo… one has to have a budget… always… money in money out, flavors in… juice out… that is always the process… haha!!
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This thread reminds me of something I read recently. A friend who vapes MTL exclusively bemoaned the proliferation of pods. Said he wishes they would go away. Says they make vapers lazy and take away the fun hobby side of vaping.
While he’s ‘right’ about that, he missed the point entirely. Pod users are not lazy. They are mostly new vapers but more importantly, they are leaving burned tobacco in favor of vaping. That is the point of vaping at its’ core after all, and when I reminded him of that he realized he’d now become so entrenched in the vaping culture that he forgot what really matters- vaping saves lives and the vaping communities exist to help fellow vapers keep the hobby.
This thread reminds me of that. You guys are excellent, advanced vapers and mixers. Your debate has high merit and has been enjoyable to read. But this new guy who wants to build a stash is probably wandering around on his own 20 yard line while you advance towards your goal line. Hopefully the first half of the thread helped him enough, 'cuz you guys took a dive down near the Marianas Trench in this one! 
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I really hate you think that, @anon70102222… I would rather enlighten, and show the way… that is only if you try… if you don’t… it isnt the 20 yrd line the newbie is on… its more like the side lines with out cheer gear
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What I think is that your debate is very interesting but a bit out of scope for the OP. Flavor bending and the like is far from a beginner’s topic. But I digress, lest it shall begin the debate anew.
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not much to debate, @anon70102222… we all do things different, taste things different, and if we did not… the world would just be flat out boring.
What I like seeing is how others do it… (agreed up above) their experiences, compared to mine… I think we all can agree, mixing should be fun… and if “starting the debate that is not a debate back up” is that annoying… well all that is in the eye of the beholder
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What was this thread about again? 
I think the OP has already abandoned this thread, I wish he comes back and asks specific questions so we can help a little better.
@anon84779643 we all luv ya and your love and knowledge of Flavorah is vast. With that said you are definitely in the minority, don’t know of anyone else who only uses Flavorah. I do enjoy Flavorah, have over 100 of there flavors. I do have some that I will never use though and at $5.49 or more a shot that is an expensive try. I can buy sample sizes of other brands for half that price or more and if I don’t like them not as much of a loss. The one shipping bill does not carry much water for most of us here as it is usually easy to reach the Free shipping option at most vendors.
I personally wouldn’t suggest a all Flavorah order for beginners. As you mentioned Smoky 1 drop can change the recipe, that is best served with intermediate to advanced users. Milk & Honey, Cream, Vanilla Pudding and a few more are definitely newbie friendly, not as potent so more forgiving.
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Not annoying. Just looking at the thread from a new mixer’s perspective. Some deep water stuff for a shallow water question. I’m not arguing with you. I said it was a good read because I really enjoy hearing everyone’s thoughts about mixing, as the collective knowledge out there is fantastic.
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how can I say… in order to gain experience… yes asking questions and doing a ton of reading while mixing up simple things, does help… but lets do it this way… how did you learn to mix, @anon70102222… I bet it was different to my experiences too…
2009 - There wasn’t much in reading… and 2012 I found everyone had my recipes on their sales sites too, without asking for the majority of the time… nowdays… its everywhere… <my experiences… I had to learn myself to test out my flavors, to put flavors together and where… all by myself… talk on scary when I got my first nic bottle… but now days… and the info shared… it’s like a walking library… btw… there was only one forum, ecf and one fb group at that time… not many to just go post a question or make mix friends… but now look at us all
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Eh, what the hell. Thread’s already entrenched in a rabbit hole which the sun can’t penetrate anyway.
I learned to mix through trial and error, asking questions, and making more mistakes than successes. Bought too much before I realized I knew too little. There were decent resources available 4 years ago that I failed to take advantage of. There are many more today.
I feel I have the capability to build solid recipes, and know I have the ability to correctly to mix correctly. But I did not get all that knowledge from reading one all-inclusive thread, regardless of how well intentioned it was. Glossed over a lot of stuff when it became clear I wasn’t the intended audience anymore Why do you ask, anyway?
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again… just curious…
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I believe he had the best answer in the 2nd post.
The original question:
The only answer that actually serves the new user (not only financially, but also if their tastes don’t align with mixers who’ve already found and established their base preferences):
And clarified again in post 4:
The OP is trying to skip ahead, so they can buy in bulk. But that’s only likely to bite them in the ass.
Trust me, I’ve done it (as have many above who only wanted to help).
So then, “suggestions” started flying to help him skip the step of learning what his preferences are…
Additionally, this advice “buy small at first” has been repeated (post 2) countless times. But it’s in multiple places in the beginners area alone.
But
A. This was placed in the pub.
B. No one moved it (not just limited to mods, but a vet could have done this as well) to the beginner area.
C. Being in the Pub, kind of hints at being general discussion.
So several things kind of “weren’t ideal” to start with.
Besides which, it’s often the natural order of things to drift, once the question has been answered. (Not saying it’s right or wrong, but that’s what happens).
Yeah, it took quite the twist…
I hope that when he does @King_Blizzy will as well. Though I also hope he searches first next time.
As being so new, he’s likely to find it’s already been answered! And if it hasn’t, or even if he only needs clarification… He can always ask!
Likewise, I think this all serves as a reminder to US, in remembering that it’s probably far better to tell a new user the cold hard fact that they have to find out for themself what “the best” is, or when/what to buy a lot of…because it’s easy to forget once you’ve been doing this for a bit, that we ourselves have:
Making sure the new mixer is given advice that is right for them.
Now we can always offer suggestions on what worked for us (especially when asked), but… We don’t want to have them misunderstand the point (or importance of it) either.
It’s all relative.
Love and respect to the lot of you, this thread has served several purposes and topics well.
Sorry to those who feel it was off point.
But some of us see it as being answered already as well (in perpetuity in fact). 
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I never thought it was off point, just perhaps a bit more advanced than necessary after a while. And to clarify further, I really enjoyed the discourse.
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OP did respond 4 days ago but ya know how we like to ramble…
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where i believe we can add that unless u making a recipe by a decent mixer that warrants using an additive, mixing without until you know when they are needed.
As far as other “must haves” try exactly that in the forum search bar. There are a few nice threads about staples in peoples stash but that is all again subjective. gl to u!
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Sweet Cream, Bourbon, Pound Cake, Vanilla pudding … but that’s just my love so far fairly new to FLV
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How does there Sweet Cream differ from there Cream? I do really like there cream, the sweet cream has been on my list for a while.
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