The DIY Freebase=>Salt Experiment
I’ll write this up properly soon as I’ve got coffee and settled-down for the night.
Edit: if anyone’s converted their freebase to salt with citric acid or currently does, definitely feel free to contribute any tips or improvements you know of.
Also: equally, if anyone knows for a fact that this is a very bad idea, definately feel free to explain why, because I cannot find enough on the topic - anywhere - to know one way or another, yet I do know that if we can make our own salts this easily but nobody’s been doing so, simply because they read it was a bad idea on reddit, well that’s not a good enough reason to not be trying something and reddit isn’t full of chemistry professors, but ordinary people for the most part who are inclined to just parrot what they heard themselves.
Maybe do it in notepad then just copy/paste, since the fucking edit-fairies will stop me soon as I reach my pointless daily edit limit because shock as it is, this actually works: with a jar of citric acid you can buy at ANY supermarket for $3 you can turn your much less expensive freebase into much more expensive salts and save a fortune.
It’s sure as shit looking that way from what I’ve observed, but given I’ve volunteered myself to be the guinea-pig for this self-conceived experiment, I have to make sure it works without any adverse collapsing, dizzy spells or heart-attacks before definitively stating everyone should go ahead and do it.
If I can determine it a successful method of creating salts that’re as good as the overpriced commercial base we all buy, the rest of you can go ahead and try it and report back on your findings, which can be discussed and any issues - if there are any - be addressed and rectified by everyone since the only information I’ve had to inspire the experiment are a smattering of reddit posts about combining various acids with freebase to create salts and of those, almost all just dismiss completely, any kind of acid that’s not benzoic because that’s the acid listed as being used in the Juul patent for their salt nicotine: truth is there are numerous types of acids that can be used to convert to salts, but nothing’s written about them anywhere I can find.
It’s looking almost instantly extremely promising however, so we’ll see.
It’ll take until tomorrow for the CA crystals to dissolve completely into the freebase solution is why you have to wait that long: though I read (the little there was of it) that people trying to use CA to make salts were heating and mixing and all sorts of bullshit to dissolve their CA crystals instantly, I found simply pouring the crystals straight in the nic base works fine - you’ve just gotta wait overnight for the shit to absorb into the PG.
Really though, there was so little written that I could find about using CA for salts… not even much about Benzoic Acid, but it got to the point where I was getting the impression that (just like people parroting “you GOTTA use unbleached and organic cotton!”) people were merely spewing out what they’d read about converting freebase to salts and fuckin’ very few had ever even tried it, so everyone’s parroting “You CAN use CA, but BA is better” without any further information on why or what’s wrong with it, when there’s a pretty long list of acids that can be used.
I’ve tried with freebase and CA once before and the CA smoothed the lung hit right out the freebase, but since I tried it with freebase that was already only 6mg/mL or so there wasn’t really any way of knowing whether it had any strength to it or not.
I didn’t die or anything obviously - didn’t get sick… didn’t even cough and yet the base had enough CA in it to taste as tangy as commercial salts when I lick-tested it.
I did measure roughly though: adding roughly an equal amount of CA as there was nicotine in the 10mL or so I tried it with: like 6mg/mL x 10mL = 60mg of citric acid though I recall adding a touch less since that’s better than having excess CA that’s undissolved in there.
Anyway that’s my experiment for the day and I"ll do the same amount as last time, but with uncut 100mg/mL base.
10mL x 100mg = 1 gram of citric acid for the 1 gram freebase nicotine.
So 0.900mg I’ll add to the 10mL base then leave it overnight to dissolve.
Been meaning to try this out with full strength nic base a while now, but I’m easily distracted by other shit, obviously, and will end up being distracted by that banana cream if I don’t set my mind to do this instead: if it’s smooth enough and has the nic hit commercially manufactured salt base does, then local raught-artist vape sites can go and f%#$k themselves and I can stick to ordering freebase for $150 per litre - instead of $500 per litre salts.
CA is $3 for a 75 gram jar from any supermarket, so if this works I’ll be saving $350 on every litre of salt base I don’t order.
Even if it didn’t work mind you, I’m still better off ordering only freebase and tracking down the Benzoic Acid to create salts like the manufacturers do, later.
5 grams actually: why waste good freebase if it’s a fail…
So 0.450 grams CA…
0.400 grams I ended up adding: just because it looked like so much citric acid and to minimize the chance of having undissolved crystals in there tomorrow or the next day, though it was completely dissolved within 24 hours last time I did it.
We want nice clear liquid: regardless any ill effects vaping a CA crystal might happen to cause, I don’t want to vape them because they’ll taste like shit.
After only two hours, it’s already visibly dissolved to the point there’s no little particles of CA in there, so I’ve cut it down by 50% with glycerine then gone ahead and dripped a few drops to test it @ 50mg/mL.
Because it was only plain 50mg nicotine base with plain glycerine, it had that disgusting plastic taste but here’s the important bit: at 50mg/mL, it was smooth enough to vape without any impulse to cough, which you all know would be fucking impossible with freebase that strong.
This tells me the freebase must have changed into salts.
They’re just bubbles from shaking in the following photo, anyhow…
Because it tastes like shit without flavouring, I’ve cut the 50mg/mL base with another 5gms of glycerine, then added these flavours to make it palettable…
- Acetyl Pyrazine (1.0 gram)
- Sweet Honey (0.6 gram)
- Barrel Oak (0.3 gram)
Still and all, I wont rule it a complete success until tomorrow afternoon, when the CA has had enough time to thoroughly absorb into the freebase, but from this initial test result I heave to say it’s worked a treat.