Nicotine salts vs. free base nicotine

Here is the ph test of salts vs freebase

The top stick is 100mg freebase in vg bottom stick is 100mg nic salts in vg. We are looking at the little test tab at the end of the stick (right of pic)

Now there is a little bit of supposition in this statement based on experience.

Based on the observation that fruit mixes & mixes that have added acids tend to undergo less of a color change and the fact that freebase nic discolours over time while nic salts for the most part stay very clear. My theory is that the more acidic a mix is the less color change there is in the finished juice (entirely not sciency).

Looking at the ph of the salts vs the freebase it is a bit hard to tell the exact ph but the freebase is well into the basic range while the salts are acidic.

Here is a mix that is fully steeped for 2 weeks (made 14th jan) and then rebottled almost a month ago (made with nic salts). this bottle has been sitting on the desk since it was bottled. As you can see virtually no color change has happened.


That’s what i was thiniking, so we need a new resr!im sure it exist somewhere, im using drug test almost every weeks(job) there is a test for nicotine use if im not mistaking will look in to this this week, i dont think that the test im using are reacting on acidity…


Na the ones they use on humans tests for cotinine which the body produces (i think) it is the predominant metabolite of nicotine. I don’t think it is present unless Nic has been absorbed by the body - I am open to a correction on this as I am not 100% sure.


I.think you are wright, then we are whit out any way of testing the strenght of those potions! Exept by feeling it… i shoulg get my nic salt next week, i just dont like the idea of no proof, then again i started vapping whit no idea what i was breathing…lol


Ya it does stress me a little but not much I can do about it but trust my supplier which I do - but i would love to have peace of mind.


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Not seeing the Salts change the color at all, over any period of time. I actually got rid of all of my freebase Nic. (Financially - that hurt bad because I had hundreds of dollars invested in that steeping stuff) I am now using only 1.5 MG of the salts in my sub ohm tanks. Having very good luck with that. Still getting the big clouds, much smoother hits and the vape I put it in does not get sour or goofy for extremely long periods of time.


I have experimented a little with the salts in high nic salt mixes for pods, and my regular strength mixes, and blends of salt+reg e-liquids. TBH I don’t care much for full salt e-liquid, but I do notice the salt mixes do not oxidize. As far a smooth I find the throat hit is different but I am so used to the regular e-liquid I don’t enjoy the salts as much. There is something with the PH that makes the salts and regular react in the brain differently, and as soon as I get a test kit I plan on doing further tests with PH and salted blends.

I also find I need extra flavor in the salt liquid.


@CosmicTruth, @Maureeenie What are you basing the “not oxidizing” from ?? A lack of darkening juice, oxidized NIC tastes ??


That and the flavor is just a little low, I’m for now spiking an extra 1.75% in a mix with 16% TF… might be a mistake but, have to see how it goes.


I was gonna start another thread but thought maybe y’all will get back into the conversation…

Has anybody had an issue with nic salts making you short of breath? I have to admit that I like the way it hits me in the morning after sleeping for my allotted four hours. It is almost like when I smoked my first morning cig. The problem for me is, after a couple hits, I can’t BREATH. It scared the living crap out of me. I’m scared of dying, I am scared of HOW I die and being suffocated is a big one for me.

In all seriousness though. Has anyone else had this issue?


I switched to nic salts about 4 months ago, and never had an issue. Main reason for the switch was that i wanted smooth vapes, without any throat hit.

I do mix it at 3mg or 1.5mg only though, so I have no idea how would higher concentrations impact me.


Did you increase your nic?


When I sub-ohm I am about 2mg, When I MTL I am at 12mg freebase nic.

I have only tried one type of Nic Salt and that is Sapphire. I got it from Breazy I think. Oh and I purchased a Nic Salt commercial juice that does the same thing to me. The comm. juice is at 50mg and the one I purchase and put in my own recipe is 36 mg. I can only assume that that is quite a bit more than 12 mg of traditional (freebase) nic.

I hadn’t thought of that though. I reckon it could be that it is way too much. I may have to to an experiment.

@adary I love love love my throat hit. :grin:


From what I understand the strength of salt nic and freebase is the same. If you’ve only used 12mg of freebase with MTL then going to 36mg salt is 3x the amount which is probably the reason you’re feeling that. Just because you can go higher doesn’t mean you should.


Yes it’s like a real cig nic wise, at high levels.

Maybe ur not use to higher nic anymore and you body is feeling it, and your starting to have a mild panic attack, because your feeling it? I mentioed it a few times before, higher nicotine salts is something you will put down if you start getting too much of it. :hugs:

Try relaxing… if you insist on using it higher. And make sure to lower your wattage and take shorter smaller vapes, no intense heat.

Read the replys from Nic River here about using it in more powerful devices.


I agree

I don’t insist on it. It is merely ignorance. Thus the reason I posted the question.

Thank you both for your responses. I see I should have done some research on the subject. I did not realize
“From what I understand the strength of salt nic and freebase is the same” I don’t remember reading or hearing that at all. I ASSUMED that it was supposed to be higher, and yes I know what ASS uming does.

Anywho, that has got to be the problem then. I did watch a video that suck my mod put out on the subject and they say nic salt hits the blood stream much quicker. I have not watched the vid you posted Freddie3 but I will in a moment.

Ok, I watched it and read some comments… ??? I got nothing from it bro. sorry. I do appreciate the help though.

I may get some nic salts from them when I get some cash and I will start at 12mg to see what happens. Thanks guys.


Dan read all of the REPLYS from NR. Take your time and go through them. I undertstand it’s not the same brand, but it’s more information to build your knowledge base on.


got ya, will do.