Vape Train Australia (VTA) Single Flavor Tests by SessionDrummer

Guido_Possum · February 25, 2021, 8:56am

LOVE LOVE LOVE the Pudding Base…

Super strong, and just tastes good: buttery, but not fake or nasty like the shit in Jam Monster - a lighter butter than that but also creamy and yeah hard to really find an every day comparison flavour because it’s unique to flavour concentrates, but it’s very, very good.

Happy I went with a 50mL bottle of that.

Matter of fact, if Jam Monster did use this instead of whatever crap they do for their butter, they wouldn’t have a fraction of the people complaining about how artificial it tastes, though I also recall Jam Monster Blueberry being SO high in sucralose that it had this additional, overbearing saccharine taste - god that an awful commercial juice.

One I’m very keen to take for a decent spin is the Barrel Oak concentrate, but I’m still trying to determine what exactly the Pudding Base compares to in real world foods and I cannot seem to find anything in my memory bank, which is alright though since @SessionDrummer has already written a comprehensive description of most these flavours.

It’s starting to remind me of a commercial juice I’ve had in the past though… I just can’t place which one… maybe Milkman Pudding actually, but minus the lemon.

First sniff from the bottle however I can say the Barrel Oak smells very much like vanilla essence, though I’m quite sure it won’t smell or taste like that once it’s mixed.

Wish I had some kind of tiny paint mixer with a dozen little slots for bottles in it…

Now for a honey and milk, to test both the Fresh Milk and Sweet Honey.

Already before I even started with notes and testing, I’ve mixed a hodgepodge juice with no measuring at all: just another few drops pg whatever flavour, shake & vape, try another few drops of another flavor etcetera, until I’ve arrived at a kinda banana pudding with honey and nuts.

There’s a good reason for this though: I need something nice to vape MORE than I need to fo SFTing at the moment so mixing anything from the VTA flavours is giving me a liquid that shots all over what I have been vaping last few weeks.

Also, mixing in such tiny amounts I’m using mere drops of flavorings while getting to know the flavours in a casual way before I start taking records and notes and being more controlled about it.

Lucas_James_Holden · February 25, 2021, 12:17pm

I’m really chuffed for you mate and I wish you all the best with your mixing. VTA and Wonder Flavours have become my two favourite flavour houses and I seem to have more of their lines than any other brand, I still buy the essential must haves from other brands of course but Wonder Flavours and VTA seems to make the flavours that suit my tastes especially their bakery flavours. I was never much into fruits until I tried VTA Sugarloaf Pineapple after reading @SessionDrummer‘s review and I immediately fell in love with it, now I have quite a few different fruit flavours and enjoy them in my regular rotation.

Guido_Possum · February 25, 2021, 1:00pm

Yeah so far, of the 10 flavours I got there’s not one of them I’ve opened, smelled and thought "Yuck! There’s ten bucks I’m never getting back! "…

Course I’ve only just started actually trying them but there’s been nothing objectionable about any of them - nothing that strikes me as “off” at all.

I still don’t know what ordinary flavour or food could be used to reference Pudding Base but it’s just lovely - SO sweet and rich, which is pretty valuable in dessert juices, given its that richness that’s so good about them.

I too prefer dessert, bakery and creamy flavours because I’ve always found fruits to be too light and… fruity?

I dunno I think it’s yeah lack of richness in fruits I tend to not like about them.

Also I’m impressed with the service, which matters: nobody wants to get arsed around when buying anything online and we’ve all grown accustomed to “Amazon-fast” purchasing from good online stores, to the point that any business that fails to maintain that level of efficiency… well it irks me anyway.

Guido_Possum · February 25, 2021, 4:09pm

I’ve got it!!

Took me all night and it’s only now that I’ve mixed a little single flavour bottle of salts with VTA Pudding Base as the only flavour that I find my first memory probe was bang-on!..

THIS is the exact flavour of VTA Pudding base and I don’t know whether they bought the flavour from The Milkman Eliquids or the other way around but the only other maybe difference between this flavour concentrate and the commercial juice, is maybe some additional sweetener - I added 3 drops, but have no idea how much sweetener the commercial version contains.

But that is what Pudding Base tastes like, exactly.

Good job me.

Guido_Possum · February 25, 2021, 4:22pm

I realize that seems bizarrely simple - for the Milkman’s pudding to be so identical to a single flavour, but it is.

You’ve tasted Pudding Base @SessionDrummer: have you had commercial Milkman juice too?

Taste exactly the same.

Guido_Possum · February 25, 2021, 4:35pm

I could easily ADV Pudding Base as a single-flavour actually - it’s complex enough without being messy.

Especially with winter on the way

Looooove winter: I’ve always been more a cold weather dood than a lover of heat.

Guido_Possum · February 27, 2021, 6:52am

And that’s twice now I’ve heard good things about the Avocado Cream.

Might get that in the next order, even though my feelings toward Avocado are as bland as real Avocado tastes and I’ve read there’s not much Avocado in it, so I can just basically consider this another cream/milk/dairy to add to the layering huh?

Guido_Possum · February 27, 2021, 7:37am

Gotta say too, even though the honey tastes like honey (maybe even a touch of floral in there though that’s very vague at the moment) and the milk is good with no weirdness or off-notes, I still dunno if I could say the milk is SUPER milky - I mean I can taste it fine, it’s great, but I always want MORE milky taste anytime there’s milk in a juice - even commercial juices.

I know also there’s plenty of creamy shit to layer-up any basic dairy so it’s richer/thicker/numnum but milk just seems to be one those flavours that’s more a mouthfeel/texture than an actual taste.

But then again, real milk itself isn’t exactly making taste-buds collapse under the weight of it’s flavour - much as I love milk, it’s a pretty mild flavour generally.

And I certainly DO love milk: I’ve heard of people who can’t or don’t drink it except in their coffee/tea and breakfast cereal… not me: I can drink myself sick on the shit and still love it as soon as there’s room in my stomach for more

Guido_Possum · February 27, 2021, 9:33am

Anyone tried their Black Tea?

I’ve still got a bottle of VG with Chai Tea II (TFA) I’ve never used because it was far too strong, though I could dilute it further: it’s been steeping for over two years now so if it was ever going to be smooth enough to use, it’s at that point and not gettin’ any smoother.

Another ancient mix that’s been in a bottle for a long time, but unlike the Tiramisu (TFA), which is very much like a very good coffee flavouring after a long time steeping, the Chai Tea always had a really sharp note that kinda irritated my throat a bit though I could imagine it being pretty damn nice if I dilute it considerably and throw enough cream, milk and dairy flavours at it.

Another experimental and small-scale mix to try when I get bored with the other flavours

Anyway, browsing the flavours I noticed Black Tea (VTA) and remembered how harsh the Chai was, which I’d assume could only mean that standard black tea would only be harsher still since Chai has all those spices in it and is generally yeah lovely I love chai tea - make it with powdered milk so I can increase the creaminess to more than fresh milk provides (I’m talking about actual food here, not flavourings).

And I don’t know whether Americans drink it or not, but over here - thanks to the English colonization of course - we like a decent cup of hot tea and I was thinking how Black Tea, plenty of milk/diary and some brown sugar could potentially create a nice rendition of the real thing - provided the black tea flavouring isn’t too blugh to work in a mix.

Hmm.

Guido_Possum · February 27, 2021, 9:58am

Matter of fact I might have a go fixing the Chai Tea II (TFA) and Tiramisu (TFA) mixes tonight, once I’ve slapped some noodles together and eaten: just so I can find out whether there’s any point keeping the Chai and, well the Tiramisu is already very nice after a near half a year of steeping - as I’ve said in some other post recently.

I’m also curious to find out whether I’ve finally got a real coffee flavoured recipe I’m only a few steps away from creating, since NO coffee juice or flavour I’ve ever tasted has tasted like coffee that’s remotely close to something you’d ever wanna drink, as a drink.

That’s right - the Tiramisu thread it was, which wasn’t a thread requesting recipes but a statement that The Flavor Apprentice Tiramisu isn’t unusable like I’ve read a thousand times, it’s just no good as Tiramisu: re-consider it as a coffee flavour and it’s perfect - once you’ve set it aside to steep for a million years, anyhow.

So if it’s perfect now as a coffee without dairy, how good will it be with it added?

Best of all, that Tiramisu isn’t some piss-weak no-name flavour I’ve run out of or almost used-up: I’ve still got enough of the flavour itself left to make another half-litre of the shit…

Which I was supposed to do the other day, but forgot the VG while shopping

Noodles…

Gazza7 · March 7, 2021, 12:47pm

Today I’ve been giving Vapetrain English Toffee a go and I’m afraid to say it doesn’t impress me at all.
I mixed it @4% and it’s been steeping for 15 days.

Perhaps I’m being a bit harsh in my statement above as it’s not absolutely terrible but it’s not particularly nice either. Basically it’s nothing…
What I do taste is an extremely light toffee…ish type flavour that’s bordering on being burnt that is almost tasteless. Truly not my idea of what a toffee should taste like that I can probably use but it will not jump into my mind one bit when thinking of trying to create a juice with anything toffee related in its flavour.

I don’t believe that mixing it any stronger will help as the almost burnt taste could strengthen into a true burnt taste, and I’m sure the taste I associate with toffee will not emerge. I’ve been using it all day in the hope I might find something else to describe it as but enough is enough as I don’t believe my opinions are going to change.

I would rate it as 2/10 and most definitely would not buy it again.

Guido_Possum · March 8, 2021, 8:30pm

I would write him an email, or give the flavour a public review.

Email might be more productive: you could literally just copy/paste your above post in an email and send that.

Maybe they don’t know that flavour is so weak, or don’t know that customers don’t want weak flavours - regardless the spiel in the description.

In every instance they should sell us full strength concentrate and WARN us it’s super strong or meant to be used as a background accent or whatever.

Guido_Possum · March 8, 2021, 8:40pm

Here’s this week’s order… if the formatting works…

Bottle Size:: 30ml 1
Butter Base Flavour Concentrate DIY for e-Liquid Recipe - 30ml
Bottle Size:: 30ml 1
Macadamia Nut Flavour Concentrate DIY for e-Liquid Recipe - 30ml
Bottle Size:: 30ml 1
Raw Sugar Flavour Concentrate DIY for e-Liquid Recipe - 30ml
Bottle Size:: 30ml 1
Cheesecake DIY Flavour Concentrate for e-Juice Making - 30ml
Bottle Size:: 30ml 1
Glazed Strawberries Flavour Concentrate DIY for e-Juice Recipe - 30ml
Bottle Size:: 30ml 1
Butterscotch Flavour Concentrate DIY for e-Liquid Recipe - 30ml
Bottle Size:: 30ml 1
Croissant Flavour Concentrate DIY for e-Juice Recipe - 30ml
Bottle Size:: 30ml 1
Warm Custard Concentrate DIY for e-liquid Recipe - 100ml
Bottle Size:: 100ml 1
Vanilla Cream Flavour Concentrate DIY for e-Juice Recipe - 100ml
Bottle Size:: 100ml 1
Red Dates Flavour Concentrate DIY for e-Juice Recipe - 30ml
Bottle Size:: 30ml 1
Blueberry Flavour Concentrate DIY for e-Juice Recipe - 30ml

Butterscotch Custard here we come, if the Butterscotch doesn’t taste like shit anyway.

And though I don’t give a fuck about blueberry OR strawberry, since I’ve got the cheesecake I figure one or both might give me a different accent as a change from the endless custard and creams I’ve been mixing

Guido_Possum · March 8, 2021, 8:46pm

The Butter Base, Macadamia and Red Date are because I heard @jinx_d going on about some Butter Pecan flavour that sounded alright.

Also because @HVPGH talking about Tripoli, which made me thing date + nut + honey might be nice, thoug macadamia is a pretty heavy nut.

Also thoug, it’s not REAL macadamia, but flavored air.

The red date can also double as a sweetener if it doesn’t work with the macadamia, though there’s also Brown Sugar for that and to stop me having to use-up all the Sweet Honey.

Obviously I like the Warm Custard and Vanilla Cream since I’ve ordered 100mL bottles of those.

Gazza7 · March 8, 2021, 9:10pm

I emailed them once before and did not receive a reply and quite honestly it is what it is. I’m not upset or anything.
I’m not going to like every concentrate I try as taste is subjective and every manufacturer has winners and losers.

Each to their own as such.

Guido_Possum · March 8, 2021, 9:12pm

I got 1 reply outta two so far: from some chick called Tamara who said thanks for telling gingerb how awesome their … whichever flavours I said ai liked.

But no reply to the second, where I asked whether I could get priority over everybody else who orders

Guido_Possum · March 8, 2021, 9:16pm

No I didn’t really ask for priority customer status.

I DID ask if I could check whether what’s in my cart is in-stock before ordering so my order doesn’t sit on hold for weeks waiting for a restock of one flavour.

No reply to that either

/spit @ tamara

Guido_Possum · March 8, 2021, 9:22pm

Really though, there’s no stock-count on their site, so that’s their fault.

And I would rather they just swap one flavour for one that’s out of stock and send me my shit: nno custard left? Fine: Creme Brulee will do.

Gazza7 · March 8, 2021, 9:26pm

I sent a polite email questioning the price of postage at the time, which may be lower now. I honestly thought it was a mistake of some sort.
As I didn’t receive a reply I thought sod them as there’s plenty others out there but was repeatedly drawn back to the website by reviews given and the array of flavours.

Eventually I ordered as temptation was too great and once I used the discount code on ELR it reduced the overall price to about average.
Overall I’m glad I did but a little surprised as I’m a stubborn git!

Guido_Possum · March 8, 2021, 9:29pm

$15 Express Post for me, and I live less then an hour from the suburb they’re located.

I reckon DHL would get it to me same day that close, but last week’s order was overnight - at the post office first thing in the morning.

I’m okay with overnight.